Newsnight Fri 2 Nov please watch v Important you know who is running the country

[MrsjREwing]

Tom Watkins tweeted a seniour politician will be outed tonight and Max Clifford said on Daybreak shocking news will be released by the BBC today.

Good point about it being in local papers before national. I didn't know that. Could it be that teh local press is more on the ball locally? Probably not, because you would think that people would be phoning the nationals to get the story out.

Oh come on Eileen well done her.
The next link should be to jersey. Or may be savilles brother at bbc Wales and lord boothby and then jersey.

Well done Eileen. The world needs more people like you in it. With integrity courage and a determination to get to the truth.

I think it reflects on overall poor standards of journalism in many of the nationals actually and a general lack of interest in investigative journalism. Too dependant on celebrity, kiss and tells or 'non-stories'.

At least 16 lads from these homes died in tragic or unexplained circumstances, several after revealing abuse. I vividly remember ringing the tribunal and asking if it would be investigating these deaths.

A very self-satisfied functionary told me it would not be and, when I angrily asked why not, he replied with an almost visible smirk: 'Well, if they're dead they can't give evidence, can they?
[shock}

Fantastic article by Eileen Fairweather, CFSKate. Thanks for posting it.

'Over several months at the inquiry, hundreds poured out their pain into a stark, modern, mostly deserted council chamber in the remote small town of Ewloe, far from the rich men's worlds of Westminster and Fleet Street.

But the Press bench was mostly empty.

Some tearfully described being raped or prostituted not just by staff but police officers, businessmen and politicians.

But reporting restrictions meant that the Press was barred from naming unprosecuted allegations.'

There must have been lawyers and barristers and judges etc. who knew about the restrictions. What about the organisations we see on our TV screens that are for human rights and say they protect the people's liberties, many of them legal people? Why didn't they campaign against the injustice?

Eileen on the other hand is what journalists SHOULD be doing.

THATS what the public interest is.

'Eileen on the other hand is what journalists SHOULD be doing.'

Agree, but it takes extreme bravery to go against the old boys' clubs, the Establishment and the system and stand up for ordinary people. There aren't many like Eileen.

I think I'm frustrated by the number of very poor articles I've read lately on other subjects, not just stuff that goes up against the establishment. They've included stories which have been complete copy and paste jobs from press releases and a total absence of fact checking.

Perhaps this reflective of the pressures of deadlines and shrinking revenues from print or perhaps it the legacy of phone hacking that important journalistic skills were lost or certain stories weren't pursued because they were simply considered 'too difficult' or time consuming even without the legalities of libel and threats of violence or blackmail. Plenty of other fish to fry out there.

If we are wondering why Savile or anyone else got away for it for so long then its worth pondering for a second.

Most of the public believe that the press are leant on not to reveal certain things. Most of the public believe that Newsnight was probably leant on to drop the Savile programme.

People are then kindly rolled out onto TV to explain to the public that there is no such thing as leaning on at the BBC. They tell us it is difficult for us to understand as we are mere "plebs" and have never worked there. They tell us that there is toital independence of producers from upper management and John Sargeant explained to us on 'This Week' that there are 'brave jpurnalists' and 'timid management'.

The public doesn't quite believe all that, but then the public are just "plebs", so what do they know.

it wasn't anyone at the bbc who called us plebs. in fact Mitchell called policemen plebs, so i'm at a loss as to why you keep using that word in such a loaded fashion.

i think, personally, it's much more likely to have been general lily-livered dickishness on the part of the showrunner that caused the report to be spiked, rather than pressure from up top. fear of pressure is just as powerful, in a way.

i say that not because you are a pleb and i am not, just because i have some experience of working in news organisations and how frustratingly capricious the decisions can be.

I just linked this on the other thread.

It's a good discussion on a (libel aware and very anti conspiracy theory) site linking up and discussing much of the stuff nt he last

www.urban75.net/forums/threads/how-much-evidence-is-there-of-long-term-high-level-uk-paedophile-ring.301059/

No you are right, they didn't call us "plebs". I am using that term because I think it goes beyond the BBC to how ordinary people are viewed by the Establishment, not by individuals within the BBC.

I think that

'Simpson wrote in his autobiography: ?Week after week, children from all over the country would win competitions to visit the BBC and meet Uncle Dick. He would welcome them, show them around, give them lunch, then take them to the gents and interfere with them.
?If parents complained, the Director General?s office would write saying the nation wouldn?t understand such an accusation against a much-loved figure.?

is indicative of how ordinary people's complaints were viewed (and possibly still are) by some of the great and the good.

I think that some of these cover-ups were carried out by Establishment figures against defenceless ordinary people who never got the justice they deserved and I do think that it is partly due to some of the great and the good viewing ordinary people as "plebs".

I don't think it is true of most individuals in institutions like the BBC, but I think it may come from the top.

It is very sad but I think that there are indications that the BBC is out of touch with teh public. Some of their staff talk of witch-hunts and 'hounded', I have some some ex-DGs on TV saying it is very serious but something like the story will eventually die down as new stories take precedence in teh public mind. I think that all institutions are in danger of becoming arrogant and divorced from the public that they serve.

All of the MPs and state run institutions are public servants and it is important that they treat teh public with teh respect they deserve. That is why the alleged "plebs" remark to police officers was such a disgrace. The police are teh public too, and the alleged remark showed an arrogance and disrespect towards not justteh police but all of teh public.

This is from the Express, and they are media rivals to the BBC, but I still believe that what they are saying is true and it is sad.

www.express.co.uk/posts/view/354831/Jimmy-Savile-response-proves-we-must-rein-in-arrogant-BBC

There are over 60 million of us in the United Kingdom and the great thing about our society is that every single child living in a care home without parents has exactly the same rights as the highest person on the land. Everybody, no matter how high and mighty, is subject to the same law. No stone should be left unturned in finding people who committed these crimes. It should be an urgent matter, particularly after the many years over which justice was never done.

Thiis isn't a witch-hunt, this isn't disproportionate, this is a necessity.

Am hoping that the old philosophy 'If you aren't part of the solution, then you are part of the problem' will hold sway here.

People like Dimbleby run the risk of presenting as protectionist of something exceedingly ugly with statements like that..........

Dimbleby and his brother have been dining out on their father's name for years.
It's time to let some others have a chance.

Greeting Cards for Justice

Please join in with this ........

co-ordinated campaign to send a card to highlight abuse of children and demand action

Yes, and I [boak] at the 'writing' of the ex, Bel and now we have to suffer the talentless sickly musings of her bloody daughter, Kitty. Having now produced a daughter herself, she will no doubt be grooming her as the next generation to inflict puff pieces upon us...

The Dimbleby's have a lot invested in maintaining the status quo.....

link

"Gamlin?s BBC friend from All Souls Place, where the underage boys used to come and visit, was responsible for some of the landmark comedy shows at the BBC. He was also part of the team that came up with the idea of Top of the Pops and launched it on New Year?s Day 1964 with a presenter called Jimmy Savile."

Telegraph

"The Telegraph can disclose that Savile was first invited into the Leeds hospital by its chief porter, who went on to become a paid employee of the disc jockey while still working at the hospital.
And his involvement at Broadmoor was rubber-stamped in 1974 by Dr David Owen, now Lord Owen, who was health minister, government papers in the National Archives disclose."

www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2227852/Your-tragic-Jimmy-Savile-letters-isnt-just-hysteria.html

Janet Street-Porter in the Daily Mail

'Let?s be clear, the media are not pursuing a witch hunt against the BBC (as Jonathan Dimbleby asserts), but responding to the righteous indignation of the mistreated, ordinary men and women who were never believed up to now.'

Could I also encourage everyone to post their experiences on the everydaysexism.com website? I don't think many people (men) know how much many women have to put up with on a day to day basis - not rape but constant low level sexual harassment.

ITV now has Mark Williams-Thomas.

Thank you Xenia.
I agree that's important.
What annoys me is when people say that we shouldn't worry about low level stuff and should focus on the more shocking. When in fact, it's a spectrum/thin end of the wedge/whatever you want to call it if that makes sense....

margery have they decided what day and who to send said cards to?

Is anyone outside the DI forum doing this greetings card thingy? I like the idea, being peaceful and (presumably) organised, but I am hesitant about taking part if it's purely DI people. Am I wrong to feel this way?