Newsnight Fri 2 Nov please watch v Important you know who is running the country

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Tom Watkins tweeted a seniour politician will be outed tonight and Max Clifford said on Daybreak shocking news will be released by the BBC today.

This thread is weird has it been infiltrated by strange beings

Very good article by Sonia Poulton in the Express. I didn't know she also writes for teh Express, hope she is still on the Mail too, as I don't read the Express.

www.express.co.uk/posts/view/354945/Sex-abuse-is-guilty-secret

'For many it reeks of an establishment cover-up, though for years detractors referred to it as ?conspiracy theory?.

Savile?s BBC colleague David Icke, who went from respected broadcaster to laughing stock, was at the forefront of such claims in the Nineties when he named Savile and others as paedophiles.

Icke claimed Savile supplied children from Jersey?s infamous Haut de la Garenne care home to a senior British MP. Savile denied knowing the home, the scene of a police investigation in 2008 that uncovered widespread child abuse. He lied. There is pictorial evidence of him there.'

and

'Then there is the question that overshadows the whole Savile ­inquiry: why was he allowed to ­become so close to royalty and government? Surely it is the job of the security services to investigate the lifestyle of those who have access to our figureheads?

Yes, this is a dark time in our nation?s history but we must face it head on and keep going until we know the full, unexpurgated truth, no matter how unedifying future revelations may be.

Judging by some of the testi­monies I have heard it is likely to be very shocking indeed. There is no alternative. The ­victims need the truth to be told, no matter how powerful or con­nected their ­abusers may prove to be.'

Nicky Campbell being related to Overton explains his questions on 5live. I was thinking he was thinking if he hadn't been adopted it could have beenhim in a home somewhere.
Nc has got guts let's hope he can keep all this on the public eye.

These things have been kept secret by people refusing to believe victims and calling a nutter anyone who claims it is a cover-up or a conspiracy.

'Simpson wrote in his autobiography: ?Week after week, children from all over the country would win competitions to visit the BBC and meet Uncle Dick. He would welcome them, show them around, give them lunch, then take them to the gents and interfere with them.
?If parents complained, the Director General?s office would write saying the nation wouldn?t understand such an accusation against a much-loved figure.?

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2218932/BBC-covered-second-national-treasure-child-abuser-known-Uncle-Dick-claims-John-Simpson.html

The Director General's Office no less according to that report. So presumably accusations were known up to a high level.

'This cannot go on. It was these sorts of hasty dismissals that helped Savile get away with it. People laughed it off and claimed ?nutters? were saying it.'

www.express.co.uk/posts/view/354945/Sex-abuse-is-guilty-secret

Simpson knew about it and he was presumably only a junior employee at the time, so it is inconceivable that many higher executives weren't aware of it.

Can you imagine what we would be saying if any of this occurred in any private media organisation?

primetime.unrealitytv.co.uk/jimmy-savile-linked-to-yorkshire-ripper-was-he-a-killer-as-well-as-a-child-abuser/
Hmmm this was in the sun today.

I was discussing all this with a retired social worker and asking if she ever heard anything of conspiracy etc.
She said its probably not. In those days the children weren't considered good witnesses, police thought it would be more harmful to be cross examined by a sharp barrister and it was thought that they should get a grip and get on with their lives. Put it behind them.
So depressing.

To those of you saying this thread sounds weird and nutty,
do you really believe that things cannot possibly be true unless you've heard them on the television? Isn't that just a tad naive?

By knew, I mean that Simpson knew of the allegations and even told his editor.

'Simpson went on to say that he told his editor of these allegations ? but was hectored into writing a report praising him.
According to his account, his boss called him a ?stupid, unthinking, ignorant, destructive young idiot?,

The accusations about what happened to children at Haut de la Garenne are horrific and I hope that they can bee looked into again.

Hummingbird, it's not about only believing what you hear on TV, it's about not swallowing every un-evidenced assertion you read on the internet. Now that would be naive.

I don't know what is weird and nutty any more, quite frankly.

The stuff that is being reported in the press as fact is no less crazy-sounding than most of the rumours flying around in the internet.

Simpson's 'Uncle Dick' revelation and what it says about the values at the BBC and the culture of cover-ups at the time is mind-bendingly awful.

Broadcaster backs BBC against Jimmy Savile 'witch-hunt'

'There has been a "disturbing relish" in the way critics have laid into the BBC over the Jimmy Savile sex abuse scandal, Jonathan Dimbleby has said.

The broadcaster told the Times newspaper there has been a "witch-hunt" against the corporation, which had become "horribly out of proportion".

"The real focus should be on what Savile did wrong," Mr Dimbleby said.

It was "very distressing" that people at the BBC were being "hounded" in a way that was "unwarranted", he added.'

The public wants to know how it happened and who else was involved and who might have known and if there was a conspiracy involved which kept it quiet until after Savile died. It's not a 'witch-hunt', it's a demand for a public inquiry and full independent investigation; there is no 'relish', there is disgust.

If the victims and the public and the country do not deserve a full independent public inquiry, then what world are we living in?

noblegiraffe is right, not every accusation on the internet is true. That is why we need an inquiry that looks into all accusations and establishes if they are true.

aye, but his dad was v senior in the BBC before he and his brother were.

And thank God our press are looking into it, because if there were no press, I doubt that half of these truths would ever have been revealed. They would probably all have been dismissed as the so-called nutty conspiracy theories of aliens and lizards.

I remember reading about 'Uncle Dick' in Simpson's autobiography and being horrified. Dimbleby has a point but good grief, the Beeb does have a great deal to answer for (although I expect so does every other institution that was charged with the welfare of children).

Dimbleby is chums with Prince Charles isn't he?

Actually I think Dimbleby has something of a point.

There has been political point scoring against the BBC in efforts to defect blame of the wide story of Savile.

It took a hell of a long time in terms of story generating for the the focus to shift away from the BBC to other institutions (Broadmoor, LGI, Stoke Mandeville) in the mainstream media which I just can't understand.

I was reading good credible stuff online 4 or 5 days about them before it started to hit the mainstream press which could have and should have been followed up quicker. I don't want to rank abuse in terms of how repellent it is, but the stuff to do with the hospitals is far more disturbing in many respects and raises even bigger questions than the failures at the BBC. (Have to say the C4 report on Broadmoor was one of the best I've seen.) Normally I would expect the time it takes a story of this magnitude to be hitting the front pages much quicker. There is a distinct dragging of heels.

The cynic in me says, they have a new cash cow to milk with this one and dragging it out as much as possible not only means they got a chance to give the BBC a damn good kicking and deflect stuff away from themselves, but they also get to make more money from drip feeding the story. The good thing about that though, is that the story isn't going to go away fast which is what we want.

I'm reading a lot of stuff online that I think will hit the press later this week.

But the length of time things are taking to get to the mainstream is also having the effect where people are frustrated and want to know more now, feel as if the press aren't pursuing this hard enough and a situation where people aren't using their crap filter as much as they should be and its fuelling paranoia.

'There is a distinct dragging of heels.'

'I'm reading a lot of stuff online that I think will hit the press later this week.

I don't think they are dragging it out for money. You are right it is frustratingly slow. They didn't release stuff while he was alive (even though Icke had revealed it years ago), and now they are dragging their heels. But they are being forced to release some of these things because the public is landing on blogs with horrific tales. Gambaccini told us on Radio 5 about the necrophilia accusationa and Nicky Campbell said this is not yet in the public domain and I have read some bloggers and newspaper articles that say he was shocked and tried to stop Gambaccini. But of course it is in teh public domain, because Icke had it on his website for years.

The bloggers are forcing the pace. But many of the public only believe the press and not teh bloggers, but millions of people are discussing teh bloggers too, so teh press have to release more information too.

I don't think it helps when certain tabloids are posting speculation such as 'did Savile help Peter Sutcliffe murder people???!!!' based on their geographical co-incidence and later contact in Broadmoor.

I mean, FFS, surely you need a bit more than that to accuse someone of murder in the press.

The BBC is our most loved national institution. We watch and listen to it day in and day out and we believe most of what we are told. But as Patten and others have said it is now about "trust" of that great institution and of all the rest of our media too. Some of teh millions are already beginning to trust the bloggers more than teh media and that is no good for our society. That is why trust must be rgained and a full inquiry must be carried out.

Thing that springs to mind though are interviews about LGI & Stoke Mandeville from people who worked there or were patients that were in the local press days and days before the nationals. Even more frustrating than it being on blogs.

The fact the nationals didn't pick up on these sooner is very bad.

I suppose taking your children away from their family at 8 and putting then in an institution where they are kept with lots of boys and setting up older boys to be in positions of power. With the adults ensuring that archaic and nonsensical rules, regulation and uniforms are held to be right and proper is considered a brilliant Eton education or any other boarding school.

In my mind it could be classed as grooming.

It is not about "hounding" of individuals as Dimbleby said. It is no longer just about what Savile did wrong, as Dimbleby said. The public know that it goes much wider. It is now about trust in all the great institutions of our country.

www.mirror.co.uk/opinion/news-opinion/eileen-fairweather-journalist-who-helped-1416666