Newsnight Fri 2 Nov please watch v Important you know who is running the country

[MrsjREwing]

Tom Watkins tweeted a seniour politician will be outed tonight and Max Clifford said on Daybreak shocking news will be released by the BBC today.

Of course it is Grow, but I dont just have to believe in just one thing, I want a transparent justice system but I also dont want peadophiles running my life. I could ask you the same, why cant a powerful public peadophile not be named?

I don't understand with all these cover-ups and 'culture of the times' comments, how Jonathan King ever ended up in prison for molesting boys. He was rich, powerful, massive in the pop world; how did his conviction not open the floodgates?

Claig I fear you're right. A veneer is being torn away.

i agree about the justice system Growlithe. The whole thing needs ripping apart and starting again.

It's the fear isn't it - the political influence (perhaps overly so if some names are to be believed), the threat of libel/slander and damages that are stopping these names from coming out.

We should respect this IF the police are putting together strong cases to bring all of these fuckers to justice. My fear is that power and influence and the position some of these people held or even hold will dilute the case/s and a number of them will taper out over coming months or even years.

Innocent until proven guilty of course but surely some of these names are more than just wicked rumours and the number of times that their names would have cropped up with these rumours - as it no doubt did for Savile - makes me angry that Newsnight didn't just go ahead this evening and name one of the people that they have evidence on - with the tag 'allegedly' if necessary.

It is in the public interest to know who has abused their positions to harm children - as it would be for any other criminal offence they have committed.

It is also right that these people are brought to justice for the sake of those children they have abused and harmed.

Why should their positions or ex positions allow them to get away with it for longer? Or are we going to learn in the future of more dead celebs/politicians that should have faced justice for their hideous crimes when they were alive but authorities/police/press were too afraid to deal with the repercussions?

Dreams of course I'd want him named.

What I wouldn't want is trial by TV, or trial by Internet forum. That would not be justice.

There was obviously some point of law which prevented Newsnight naming names tonight.

My point is, the programme was as important anyway, because there was actually nothing legally to stop them saying the statements had been changed and this led to a different outcome to the case.

They didn't have to name him. Logic says he's finished. Like Norman Bettison. Its all just a matter of time now.

What's important is statement changing.

news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/811341.stm

news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/811341.stm

We are told on TV that Savile threatened newspapers that if they ran stories that his charity donations to hospitals would have stopped, and that is why they didn't run stories on him. So are we expected to believe that they turned a blind eye to child abuse so that hospitals could get charity money from him and even after he died, they still didn't tell run any stories.

Agree Grow - it's not only anger about these individuals and their crimes but the fucking cover ups and the fact that there has been no justice as of yet for the victims in this - and will there ever be?

Sorry for the swearing but as a mother and protector-until-my-last-breath of my beautiful children, this story just makes me so bloody angry that we have a system that seems to condone child abuse and has covered up scandals such as this for years with no justice or, as you rightly say, transparency for those victims that have finally been allowed to voice what they had many years ago and were ignored and failed by a fucking screwed up system where only money and influence mattered.

Ive just been on Twitter and seen that they have named Leonard Rossiter on tommorows front page

I'm going to sleep now.

When all these names start slipping out, remember one thing They changed statements. Recall it happened over Hillsborough. Look out for it in future. It can't be allowed to go unchecked. Its too important.

Agree Growlithe G"night x

This must be Meirion Jones aunt. Cruel cow.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2227086/They-angels-Headmistresss-cruel-dismissal-girls-abused-Jimmy-Savile-claims-told-to.html

I don't think the old lady is necessarily wrong - she is probably right that some teenage girls were no angels and did swap sex for cigarettes. Things are never black and white but what we need to ensure is that now no one preys on under age girls or boys and stop it and give children the mechanism to complain.

This is another older link - I see the 2000 BBC one above which similar www.nickdavies.net/1997/10/01/secrecy-imposed-on-the-exposure-of-alleged-child-abuse-news-and-feature/

That article Darkesteyes .

So how come The Sun can name Rossiter but Newsnight can't name that senior political figure?

Rossiter is dead. You cannot libel the dead. The Sun link says Rossiter was in the room but not involved in the attack anyway so it's a bit of a spurious link although I would imagine most of us would shout out and make people stop if we saw that going on in a room even if we were preparing to go on screen.

I heard third hand but may be wrong that Newsnight was subject to a court injunction obtained yesterday from the living public figure who could have been named as accused (but of course not guilty unless and until there is a trial).

Because he's dead.

Does anyone know why so many people are tweeting JKW at newsnight?

They're bots/spammers, set up to tweet random letters at trending topics every so often so they look like real active accounts.

Ahhh ...how very annoying! Thanks FP.

Before everyone charges out with pitchforks, they might want to read this article from the blogger Anna Raccoon who was actually a pupil at Duncroft, and who has spoken with Margaret Jones, the 91 year old former head, this week. She has a very different take on the story.

i thought Ms Jones seemed very of her time, probably the 'harsh but fair' head that children like that might have needed.

i used to go out with a psych nurse, he said that sex for cigarettes was absolutely institutional currency when he was training back in the late 80s (he was part of a 'new broom' designed to sweep that out, of course).

NN definitely said politician, not political figure. So KC not Mc A.

The last year or two have been a depressing eye opener for me and I feel like I had been living in a bubble. We've had revelations of Murdoch's dynasty controlling politicians, Hillsborough cover up, Savile's abuse being a very open secret and now it's apparent that justice was absolutely not done for those victims of the North Wales Child Abuse and high ranking political figures are paedophiles.

Last night's Newsnight was important as it exposed how cover ups occur in high levels of government and how the Watergate inquiry evidence was tainted ie. how the boys were told they could only put certain bits into their statement and then only bits of their statements were read out. So in effect they were prevented from giving relevant evidence.

The point made previously about transparency is really important. It's clear at the moment it's far from being so. There's a lot of stuff on the Internet about Jack Straw reversing a ruling in a family law case, Clayton v Clayton, which was case that entitled people involved in cases heard by the Family Courts to speak out to the press after the proceedings. By reversing this, a side effect was that a child in care who had been through the family courts is prevented from speaking to the press regarding any wrong doing they consider to be done to them. It was reported in the Independent.

It's hard to find out if this is definitely the case but if true we've the situation where children in care were abused and prevented from giving evidence by the police as we heard last night on NN and they are currently legally prevented from speaking out about any abuse that may occur.

I find what's been happening incredibly hard to get my head round. The encouraging thing is that finally victims of abuse are coming forward as finally they know they will be believed and society owes it to them to ensure things change so that no one is above the law and will need to answer to it and these things can't happen again.

I'm going on a bit here but on a personal note (I've mentioned it on another thread), this week my 74 year old mother finally spoke out about how she was targeted by her local Catholic priest (not in this country) which resulted in her leaving home at 16 . She tried to tell her sister about him but she wouldn't believe her so she felt she had no option but to leave home. She was two years older than my DD is now and I can't describe how I feel about it.