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Are you in favour of Scotland leaving the UK?

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LadyMaryCreepyCrawley · 15/10/2012 18:39

Lucky bastards! Sad

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Feckbox · 15/10/2012 23:31

I'm not being in the slightest antagonistic! I am just stating my own experience.

I am afraid I know a great many lazy Scots. Should I pretend I don't? I am often embarrassed at the anti English sentiments expressed by SOME Scottish people.

My 11 year old daughter has observed this in her own classmates and asked me, unprompted, yesterday, why so many Scottish people don't like English people. I find that extremely sad and i wish it were not the case.

I strenuously object to being accused of being antagonistic for stating , with sadness, what I have observed time and again.

kaumana · 15/10/2012 23:35

agh, started typing a response but it's not worth it..

mrscumberbatch · 15/10/2012 23:38

That's sad that you're in an area where there are people who feel like that. If you feel that it is as bad as you're saying it is, why don't you move to another area of Scotland where there isn't as many plebs with ridiculous attitides?

You'd find just as many south of the boarder who are as vehement about Scots unfortunately.

kaumana · 15/10/2012 23:39

^^ what mrs said

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 15/10/2012 23:40

I think a lot of the anti-English sentiment is actually misdirected anti-Westminster-Government sentiment based on the way successive governments have screwed over/ignored the Scots. I don't think there is that much anti-English sentiment though. I was bullied a wee bit in school for it, but more recently when working with young people in Glasgow it was never mentioned other than asking where I was fae.

Feckbox · 15/10/2012 23:42

yes mrsc I daresay there are plenty south of the border with ridiculous views as well. But they are not clamouring for independence to escape from us.

I LOVE Scotland, I love the area where I live and work and really would not like to move. But I do despair at the attitude of many Scots . In particular the anti English sentiments. It's deeply embarrassing .

mrscumberbatch · 15/10/2012 23:46

If you gave English people the choice to continue as the 'UK' or to get rid of Scotland there'd be an equal debate.

Some would be for, some would be against. They just haven't been given the choice as it's not quite the done thing to 'chuck' another country out. There'd be an uproar.

If it comes to it, and the majority want Scotland to leave and to function as a sole entity it's no skin off Englands nose. Would make little or no difference to them at all. So why would they bother getting fussed about it?

It affects each and every Scot, so of course we are getting fussed about it.

Scots despair at the attitudes of other Scots as well. They're commonly known as eejits or bampots.

LadyMaryCreepyCrawley · 15/10/2012 23:46

There are generations of English people who have never worked, so this isn't exclusive to Scotland. I'd say that there's less jobs in Scotland though, most of it is lovely highland. Nice to look at, shit for anything else.

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mrscumberbatch · 15/10/2012 23:48

I read recently that about 70% of the UK's woodland and forestry is in Scotland.

Doesn't leave much space for anything else eh?

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 15/10/2012 23:50

Actually, Scotland's doing OK jobs wise

m.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-business-19922917

You need to remember that Scotland has a teeny population so needs way less total jobs than england/wales

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 15/10/2012 23:50

Arse
m.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-business-19922917

SundaeGirl · 15/10/2012 23:55

I'm in favour of keeping the UK together. I've got a vote and I'll be voting No.

'Independence' campaigners in Scotland don't really seem to have understood basic economic realities. Keep the pound and the Bank of England will control the economy, set interest rates and respond to English inflation. Get the Euro and France/Germany/x many other nations will control the economy. What kind of independence is that?

LadyMaryCreepyCrawley · 15/10/2012 23:55

That's great! Smile

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HappyOrchid · 15/10/2012 23:56

I don't mind, if the Scots people decide to be independant thats fine, if they want ot stay thats fine too.

Even if the vote gets the yes, I think it will fall apart administratively. Setting up their own tax departments with their own rules, setting up a brand new NHS of their own, Will they join the Euro? Will (what is left of UK) allow them to use £ as the currency, after all if it is really independent all these things are required. Or is it really Salmond grandstanding?

Losing jobs as the English govt. closes Cumbernauld and moves jobs back to England. In Westminster the claim is that Scotland is given large subsidies representing taxes raised and then the Scottish Assembly decides how to spend this, eg no tuition fees etc. BUT if they have to collect their own taxes and completely run the economy will they really be better off, or are they still factoring in tax rebates for North Sea Oil for the past howver long.

IMO this will fail more on a practical levle

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 16/10/2012 00:02

happyorchid Scotland already has its own independent NHS!

As for the rest of the points, there is plenty of info out there.

prettybird · 16/10/2012 00:06

I think it is sad (but typical of the ignorance of many some English about matters Scottish) that so many people don't realise that we have always had a separate NHS (the BBC occasionally remembers to say when mentioning reforms proposed by Westminster that they apply to the NHS in England and Wales Hmm).

Legal systems and education systems have always been separate too (we don't have Ofsted for example - it's HMIE up here).

JollyJackOLantern · 16/10/2012 08:00

It really does bug me when BBC say some policy is going to be happening then doesn't say where it's applicable.

Have you seen http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f390/chicmac/beebweathermap.jpg this ?

The bbc has a lot to answer for when it comes to anti-English feeling. Surely the weather is more important for those living in rural communities?

JollyJackOLantern · 16/10/2012 08:01

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christmasmum · 16/10/2012 08:26

I always find it interesting when people say that the Scottish are sponging off the rest if the UK. When you check the facts, every region of the UK is actually sponging off London and the South East. In fact Scotland's contribution to the GDP per capita is more than any other region excluding the two above! Link here wikipedia. I am English living in Scotland a d still undecided!

Trills · 16/10/2012 08:33

Scotland is not actually going to go anywhere.

It'll still be up there

People from England and Wales and NI can still go to Scotland just as easily, and vice versa.

I'm finding it hard to imagine what will actually be different. Is it just economics that I don't understand?

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 16/10/2012 08:42

Nothing will be different really. It's not like people vote yes, and then anything changes there and then. In the years post independence the countries will gradually diverge, based on the national ethos.

Scotland will become a more socialist leaning country, while rUK poor sods will be ruled by the Tories.

Mrsjay · 16/10/2012 08:53

Do we have to take Cumbernauld with us?

no cos the 'big asda' is in cumbernauld I do like a 'big asda shop' Euphemia

LindyHemming · 16/10/2012 09:01

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Mrsjay · 16/10/2012 09:03

Lol @ "big Asda"

Grin oh and there isa Dunnes too no we must keep cumbernauld get rid of the mermaid thing they have on the motorway she is scary especially when she is lit up

redlac · 16/10/2012 09:04

The English Gov at closing Cumbernauld???? But the Irn Bru factory is there!!!! I can feel an uprising starting