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Are you in favour of Scotland leaving the UK?

587 replies

LadyMaryCreepyCrawley · 15/10/2012 18:39

Lucky bastards! Sad

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AitchTwoOhOneTwo · 16/10/2012 17:24

i was being jokey, actually, hence the massive grin. but your 'what's wrong with it' was a bit arsey, given that you knew you'd written in irish and i'd specifically said that i knew enough to recognise bad gaidhlig. so, ya know... it'll have to remain up to the reader who was prickly first... Grin

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 16/10/2012 17:25

TiAAAAARGHo You are correct, members of the EU are expected to join the euro when it is right for their country and when they meet the convergence criteria (meeting the preconditions is a matter for each individual country as is deciding when ready)

squoosh · 16/10/2012 17:32

You think I'm arsey. I think you're arsey.

Seems fair.

AitchTwoOhOneTwo · 16/10/2012 17:39

now i think you're kinda boring as well... however i am sorry if my saying that you speak bad gaidhlig caused you any offence.

PosieParker · 16/10/2012 17:42

I, as a British person, would like to vote on what happens to my country.,

squoosh · 16/10/2012 17:44

You think I'm 'kinda boring' too? Because only you have the right of reply? Sorry about that.

AitchTwoOhOneTwo · 16/10/2012 17:46

apology accepted Smile

MerlinScot · 16/10/2012 17:47

No, I don't agree with Scotland separating from the UK because it seems quite a propaganda poster for the SNP instead of caring about the real advantages of it.

I live in Scotland, so I'll be one of the voters. Mind you, my future husband never voted and he'll go to vote only for the referendum and to say NO Grin

Salmond's idea of an independent Scotland is flawed in so many points that if this country separates from UK, in England you'll have a couple of millions of migrants pushing each other at the border!! How are Scottish people supposed to survive, economically speaking? With no NHS, army, Department of work and pension...

Without even mentioning that joining the euro brought down already 5 countries that are now considered "poor" and with high unemployment rates (Greece, Ireland, Portugal, Spain, Italy).
If that's what Salmond wants, my guess is that he'll have to celebrate independence with just his supporters.

AitchTwoOhOneTwo · 16/10/2012 17:48

see Posie, i'd like for my vote to count too, and if you look at the gif someone posted earlier you'll see that scottish votes have had negligible effect on that since 1955.

RiaOverTheRainbow · 16/10/2012 17:48

I'm Scottish, currently living in England. If I'm back in Scotland in time for the referendum I'll be voting for independence.

squoosh · 16/10/2012 17:48

passive aggression accepted Smile

AitchTwoOhOneTwo · 16/10/2012 17:49

merlin, we really do have an NHS independent of the english system already.

AitchTwoOhOneTwo · 16/10/2012 17:49

lol

MerlinScot · 16/10/2012 17:54

Aitch, paid with what money?

Also, what about other advantages paid with english taxpayers money though?

Hehe... the idea of a Scotland independent is feasible but not better. Only the super-nationalists are for it. The others could change their idea after the referendum, as well the Europeans did after the failing European Union.

MerlinScot · 16/10/2012 17:57

I read about the Gaelic issue too, the Gaelic speakers are about 61.000 in all of Scotland, most of them living in the Western Isles.

For the record, Gaelic is an official language now but despite the constant promotion of the government to revive it, few people speak it.

PosieParker · 16/10/2012 18:01

Scottish as opposed to what though? Living in the South West? Cornwall? I find it pretty shitty that Scots don't consider themselves British too....

TBH I get quite bitter about 'independence' and feel like thrusting upon Scotland....making England and all in it only accessible to the English and Welsh, unless you come with a passport.

I fail to see what, aside from prejudice, is pushing Scots to separate. But as an English person I am used to prejudice against me, by our neighbours. Frankly I am pretty disgusted.

MerlinScot · 16/10/2012 18:02

What I found really strange reading the comments on this thread is that it seems Highlanders are in favour of the independence more than the Lowlanders.

I've been living in the Upper Highlands for quite a time now and I'd say that of all people I asked about the independence 80% are against it (excluding the very elderly). It's an old fashioned idea supposing that Highlanders are still in the Risings' time.
I guess that if Salmond wins is because of Edinburgh and Glasgow's peoples.

PosieParker · 16/10/2012 18:03

And when the population is lower in Scotland why would they have as big an effect on central government?

AitchTwoOhOneTwo · 16/10/2012 18:04

it really doesn't feel like that here, tbh, if you're involved in any way with gaidhlig culture and education in central scotland it does feel vibrant and progressive and the council simply can't build schools fast enough to take the children whose parents want them to learn.

re the money, are you now the gazillionth person on this thread suggesting that scotland is subsidised?

mrscumberbatch · 16/10/2012 18:04

Merlin- Weegie here....Nooo. Nobody I know in these parts is voting yes.

AitchTwoOhOneTwo · 16/10/2012 18:05

so the only reason scotland would like to be a proper country again is to piss off the English? gawd. for the record, SOMBFAE.

prettybird · 16/10/2012 18:07

I'm also a weegie - and many of my friends/family are voting Yes.

And that includes former Tory, Labour and LibDem voters.

MerlinScot · 16/10/2012 18:08

Posie, most Scottish people consider themselves British. To be honest, most people I've met in my years in Scotland arrived from England directly.

Lots of people easily forget history here.... UK and Scotland have been one nation since 1707. Why that though? Because from one day to another Scottish people didn't feel Scottish anymore?
Everybody forgot the disastrous consequence of the administrative failure of Darien? What about the "desertic moor" the Highland had become after the Clearances? Mmm...

Posie, I've to add something... Originally I wasn't Scottish or British, so I think I can be objective enough to comment... for some reason, I see why Scottish people are different from the English or why they've been so many wars and fights between Scottish and English. From there to say that an independent Scotland is better off without the UK.. pfft, NO.

forgetmenots · 16/10/2012 18:13

Agree with Aitch on Gaidhlig.

I don't consider myself British really, having Scottish and Irish heritage - just as my Norwegian pals get prickly when people describe them as 'Scandinavian'. This isn't from hatred of Swedes, it's because they have their own identity without the need for the umbrella term.

MerlinScot · 16/10/2012 18:14

Prettybird, I'm pretty sure that many friends of mine in Edinburgh will vote YES and you know why?

Because they're still studying and Scotland is paying their tuition fees despite NONE of them has a British passport...............

Want to laugh if Salmond cuts the free fees to EEA nationals after the referendum.......

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