4 sisters returned to Italian father after their Australian Mum took them to Australia.....dragged kicking and screaming onto the plane.

[AmberLeaf]

Apparently the girls aged between 9-15 are dual citizens.

Link sorry its the DM.

Do they not take the childs view into account in Australia?

Not to interrupt your jousting but this thing seems to be winding down. Mum is gathering funds for a trip to Italy (threat of not going for fear of arrest was always BS to scare the girls) and the media in Oz appears to have lost interest, mercifully so. The posters on the mum's FB page now protest the father's desire for media calm, which says something about them. But they'll soon lose interest too.

The abnormality was the abduction and now it's just divorce. Ho hum.

redsilk, they hate big over there..documents..logic..they have no interest..just the same kind of need for revenge ive encountered from certain posters here.
Surely the mother has to be extremely careful in associations with groups like that, although its well established they are her family members.
i don't thing she's going to get much joy out of this actually the more i think about it. among other things she needs a public relations person, a good one, if she continues to publicise the whole thing. She's messed it up pretty bad to date.

Even the page "likers" seem to be losing interest in it, to be honest.

I can't believe that amber & hannah have turned this discussion into a bitch fest! I don't want to read that crap when I am trying to have a conversation that has been reasonably calm on both sides. If you can't add anything of any relevance to the discussion, don't add anything at all.

Hannah, I share your dislike if the mum although I also see her as psychologically disturbed and probably having serious family or abuse issues. She was sent to Italy at 15, which is suspicious, allowed to date and marry early, popped out 5 children quickly, and the entire Garrett family is apparently women-only.

There is likely a reason there are no men in the picture and the fact that she was sent off at such a young age. Her accusations of abuse against the father may be tied to having suffered abuse from a male relative at an early age. Wouldn't surprise me. So with contempt I also have pity.

And I also think the rabid dykes comment was over the line. This was actually a rationale discussion among people who feel naturally inclined to support the mum and others (like me) who have lived through such an insane situation and can see through mum's antics.

Hannah, it's an interesting thought whether the mum gets joy out of this. I guess you would need to define joy, as odd as that sounds. She has demonstrated conflict-seeking behaviour, so even this unhealthy negative attention at the expense of her DDs is desired.

But I do not think she is happy in any meaningful sense of the word nor is she likely to become happy soon, independently of this situation. If she were to declare an intention to get therapy, I would be the first to applaud her.

in order to minimise the mothers actions, the lovelies over there are now saying the parent alienation syndrome is a pile of crap.

these people are monsters, i hope none of them have children anywhere near them.

this is what i mean, she needs to dissociate herself from the madness...
she needs to appear to be a normal person with normal values.

Redsilk, just a point I'd like to make, in case you feel I come under your 'supporters' tag.

I have never supported the mum. I have disagreed strongly with the wording about her - trailer trash et al. I don't see why, on a site such as this, that we need to use words or expressions like that. The digging around the Internet to find stories that further denegrate her left a bad taste in my mouth. Again, I don't see the need.

For whatever reason people have chosen to see that as me being in support of what the mother did and I have had to state, so many times, that this is not the case.

It is frustrating when other posters are so determined to see what they want to see - and it adds fuel to the fire of posters like Hannah.

MN is a great site full of good advice and funny, imaginative, passionate posters. We should try to keep it that way - but personal attacks, goading, hate filled terms should not be condoned.

as i stated yesterday lteve, i find your posts difficult to understand and frankly contradictory, but you won't find me saying they shouldn't be condoned.
calm down girl, everythings ok.

"get much joy" i suppose is an australian saying? - to get some of/ all of what she wants

LtEve, I took back the comment on trailer trash, remember?

You're right on that, although my comment was directed at Garrett and not at you. What was wrong about the comment was not acknowledging the severe psych disorder she seems to have, which should prompt more pity than contempt. I also agree on name calling of other posters being uncool.

But we disagree fundamentally on everything else on this case, about which I do have strong feelings. I don't consider you a supporter ("supporters?" dear me, I can barely get kiddies to school and haul myself to work in the morning...). rather i believe you express good intentions, but without understanding parental child abduction, those who perpetrate it, or the harm it causes children and families.

"Get much joy" is an expression acquired during childbirth.

Not.

I'm not sure what we disagree on then Redsilk - what views do I hold that differ to yours?

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Umm, no I didn't turn this into a 'bitchfest' I have responded to hannahs bizarre accusations and apparent insight into my psyche.

....and yes, same as LTEve has also stated, I too am not a 'supporter' of the Mum, I was just puzzled as to why certain aspects were being glossed over as unimportant.

ah good, a lead back into the topic.
is the fathers alleged DV being glossed over as unimportant?
Yes, i think its obvious that it is.
The allegations , if more weighty..would only prove that
there was an incident, not serious enough for any treatment it seems...
in 2007.
How does that affect the fathers ability to parent today amber?

the issue of parenting ability can be the only issue.
If you are trying to turn this into a trial for something
that may or may not have happened in 2007 when they were
still a couple, then pls say so, i think it would make for a good debate.

Ha ha! have you missed your posts that preceded my above posts?

The issue is that the Hague Convention must be respected whatever the rights and wrongs which none of us can really know. Every time it is enforced it makes those in Convention countries less likely to child steal.

the issue of parenting ability can be the only issue. - in relation to the demonisation of the father..there are quite a few relevant issues

yes xenia i see that, and i agree but remember the mother tried to claim exemption so to speak by allegations of safety for herself past violence -
motorbike accidents etc.
and yes, the hague convention is a very, very good thing.

Well this thread is, sadly, no longer worth reading or posting on.

The end.

None of MY posts preceded your posts, Amber.

Well done on making this discussion worth shit tho.

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