4 sisters returned to Italian father after their Australian Mum took them to Australia.....dragged kicking and screaming onto the plane.

[AmberLeaf]

Apparently the girls aged between 9-15 are dual citizens.

Link sorry its the DM.

Do they not take the childs view into account in Australia?

any updates of the story? I haven't seen anything new in the press, although my ability to search Italian news is weak. The mum's FB page is just recycling what was in the media over a week ago and more. The FB page for the dad is either gone or I'm now blocked and can't see it.

When will mum arrive in Italy? The parents both have joint custody so in theory she can just show up and demand time with her daughters.
When will dad sue the Oz foreign ministry for aiding the abduction?
When will the girls' lives return to normal? are they all back in Italian schools after being in an English-only environment and schools for over 2 years?

After all the tabloid attention this story received, strange that now there's just silence...

^lteve, the word you are struggling with is actually empathise. ( empathize wherever they butcher the english language )
In some kind of Irony, your use of this tends to confirm that you also have suffered in this way.
The word both amber and lteve should have probably used is sympathise.
why the english lesson? it may lead to less confusion for us down the track.
Duty beckons girls and I have so much to do, enjoy your day wherever you are^

Oh dear!

I think you need an english lesson Hannah.

Me and LTEve were correct in our use of the word empathise

Sympathy is something else entirely and not appropriate in this context.

ah, good morning amber.

i disagree on your choice of words.
but there are bigger fish to fry than lingering on semantics.

redsilk, i think the next bit of news from this case will be the father in court over an application of some sort regarding the pre-existing contact arrangements.
I think he's going to try and shut the mother out of that deal. ( if it still binds today)

The mother i don't think is booking any flights just yet.
she knows about these emergency applications and has no funding
which was the reason she left there in the first place.
she'll be staying put and collecting funds.

I think the ball is firmly in the fathers court regarding her future contact all factors considered, however christ they should of course just get over it and share as before.

he's publicly stated he's willing to do so and lets hope he meant what he said.
amber how are you feeling today dear?

You can disagree all you like! you're still wrong, its not about opinion.

'Bigger fish to fry'? really lol! you just tried to get clever and pull me and LTEve on the use of a word, you got it embarrassingly wrong, but now you have 'bigger fish to fry'? okay.

How about you go off and google 'empathy' and then 'sympathy' and compare the two....then come back and waffle about some other nonsense as you do.

How am I feeling today? great, just the same as I felt earlier today when I first started 'speaking' with you. It's still evening here Hannah.

amber dear, i don' t agree with your use of words.

i stated that before and I just did so again.

amber dear, don't lose sight of the forest for the trees...

you seem stuck lol on several issues.

life my dear is about growth, change and evolution.

stagnant water stinks ...

for the third time amber, I don't agree

with your choice of words.

Waffle...waffle......waffle.

Well this thread took a turn for the crazy!

I get a life for a bit and look what happens.

redsilk, what he'll do i think is claim that the mother is brainwashing the children and use the australian media experience as evidence. he will ask for an emergency hearing and attach that evidence as well as the caloundra local newspaper where the mother stated she tricked the father.
As this was unfolding and this evidence came forth, i thought that it was alllll bad for the children as the italian family court and government will now have their "turn"..its pride and politics, just as it is everywhere on the planet.
the father may ,I believe ask that the mother gets supervised limited contact only in lieu of the new evidence, just like everywhere else he's thinking he'll get this deal and then make yet another informal deal with the mother ( that gives her unsupervised access) whereby ultimately he retains the power.
ugly, yes but this is litigation after all.
this means of course that the children get to suffer even more.
I truly hope they can " make a deal " thats quick and provides access for both parents. the father has a big part to play in the fairness of any deal, lets hope he puts pride aside.

Agreement seems far-fetched.

What does the father, or the Italian courts for that matter, do when the mother's side is stirring up a campaign to bring the girls back to Australia? How does he even leave the older ones unsupervised without fear that mum and her family will encourage them to run away?

There are posts on the mum's FB page about how the older girls just need to make their way to the Australian embassy and they'll be helped to Oz again.

I don't see how right now she could get anything but supervised visits, or even supervised Skype chats, which is unfortunate for the girls. But I don't see a realistic alternative.

this case is more unusual in most in that there has been an enormous amount of publicity generated.
taking the democratic / corruption free hat off for a moment, i bet the judge has already been selected..possibly over lunch at the club over some pasta.
there will be no impartiality in this matter, no way.
i know for a fact that this happens in australia. the family court here is a very closed, very exclusive club and the justices are supremo. judges are selected in ' special' cases such as this one..for political purposes.
Didn't australia come across as some kind of bastion of fairness because of forrests judgement? trust me, so many of them are pigs, if a judge was selected at random australia would have had a fair chance at looking like nazi germany.
i don't agree that forrests judgement went against public opinion btw. people aren't stupid, at least not for long.
both parties are getting support, possibly that they don't want and don't realise it.
when parties reach these stages, no-one wants to spend any more money.
settlements are reached by consent in 90 percent of cases...i cant see this happening here
i bet both the parties are getting all sorts of offers from all sorts of people.
litigation i bet will stretch on much longer for this ex-couple and their children.
maybe it will the case that they'll all profit and be happy, like angelina jolie and brad pit. the whole...attention makes us more money thing.
movies, books...its all coming.

for the people posting at kids without voices, i feel that there is no hope.
the vinegar over there is flowing freely from their breasts.
nasty, nasty people.

...and the woman hating goes on. "Rabid dykes" WTF?

Disgusting.

Hannah, personal attacks aren't allowed on MN. This is a civilised site and expressions like the one you used are frowned upon. Swearing is fine, we are adults after all, but 'hate' language is not tolerated. There are many Straight, Gay and Lesbian parents on this site who would object to your wording. If you can't be civil and respectful then you don't belong here.

Goading isnt allowed either.

what about ' hectoring'? lol

lteve , why try and provoke me dear? lets talk about the case instead. we are not children my dear.