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4 sisters returned to Italian father after their Australian Mum took them to Australia.....dragged kicking and screaming onto the plane.

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AmberLeaf · 05/10/2012 00:59

Apparently the girls aged between 9-15 are dual citizens.

Link sorry its the DM.

Do they not take the childs view into account in Australia?

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Redsilk · 07/10/2012 07:21

Mosman,
If you have custody and your ex doesn't appear and oppose your demand, you should be able to get an order and then go about having it recognized in Australia.
In your shoes I would talk to an Australian lawyer first to see what you need to enforce against your ex.

differentnameforthis · 07/10/2012 08:01

like the younger girls, the older girls arrived in Italy without incident.
They were calm upon arrival at their home and tired after a long flight.
It was later discovered that they had a mobile phone & communicated with someone, who surely advised them that Australian media was coming to the Villa. Upon hearing that the media was at the gates of their home, they made a scene in front of the cameras. In trying to protect his daughters, the father was attacked by six of the Australian media at his property. The father was kicked - which resulted in an injury to his leg and a dislocated, possibly broken finger. He required medical attention at the hospital. The fathers address was not publically known, and not provided to the media by any of the Italian family or friends. The father and the family understand that it will require patience to re-establish the harmony the girls once experienced in Italy, and reverse the painful stresses they have endured in the last two years. Unfortunately, the children have been subjected to media attention since their arrival in Australia. Now they have returned to Italy, in the care of their father, we ask the media to please leave these children alone so that they can resume a normal life. The actions of The Courier Mail & Channel Nine have been particularly invasive

Once a gain, clever editing by the media to make dad look bad. And of course the girls are fighting out, they have been brainwashed to hate their father & his family.

Tell me, it is a good idea for the press to behave like this??? To whip the girls into a frenzy & then attack the father?

differentnameforthis · 07/10/2012 08:04

adogforever

It has been in the open all along that the father dropped HIS charges against her, but there was no guarantee that this would hold true, because apparently the authorities can decide to press charges anyway.

differentnameforthis · 07/10/2012 08:07

The woman in that news report should be shot. You can see it in her face, she is almost fucking gleeful at what happened! She riled the girls up...well done. I hope she sleeps well tonight.

differentnameforthis · 07/10/2012 08:09

Oh & no one was being dragged in that video. Yes, they were being taken out of the media spotlight, but I certainly wouldn't call it dragging!

Xenia · 07/10/2012 08:30

What that mother did is absiolutely disgusting. She took 4 children away from their father 2 years ago for a month's holiday. She lied, She kept them there. Imagine if he had taken them away like that against the law to another continent! It is absolutely imperative we support the Hague Convention (which says you cannto just remove children to another country). By all means apply to court for permissino to move them if the other parent does not agree and then the court will decide what is best but you nwever never ever steal chidlren like this from a parent and the more mothers and fathers know that there are severe consequences for it the better.

Fishwife1949 · 07/10/2012 09:58

I heard oz is very strict on these things favors joint custody

Heard from people whom have emigrated and had o stay as the courts would not let them bring there children bak to the uk

Hes is most likey a shit even more reason why she whould have done things right

Fishwife1949 · 07/10/2012 10:00

I heard oz is very strict on these things favors joint custody

Heard from people whom have emigrated and had o stay as the courts would not let them bring there children bak to the uk

Hes is most likey a shit even more reason why she whould have done things right

Mosman · 07/10/2012 11:06

Which is exactly why I find this so odd the children are as Australian as they are Italian

Redsilk · 07/10/2012 11:11

differentname, where did you get this, a press release from the italian family?

I've thought the Oz reporting was disgusting and exploitative in the last weeks and completely indifferent to what the children are really experiencing. What a bunch of thuggish child a users these reporters are. I hope they get arrested.

Seriously, what's the dad supposed to do with his daughter hanging on a gate shouting hysterically at the media? "Go ahead dear, if it makes you feel better." My dad would have hauled my arse into the house and made me regret acting that way in public.

Redsilk · 07/10/2012 11:49

This is all playing pit faster than I had predicted. Next move will be Lying Mum's announcement (expect it within days) that she's going to Italy after all.

Only her daughters were gullible enough to believe her.

MaryZed · 07/10/2012 12:03

How are they as much Australian as Italian? They were all born in Italy, the oldest one spend 13 years of her life in Italy, only two years in Aus [baffled].

It seems to me the mother is still winding them up, trying her best to undermine the father from thousands of miles away.

And the press should be ashamed of themselves - as per bloody usual Hmm

Mosman · 07/10/2012 12:14

My understanding is once they are in Australia they are Australian and unless both parents agree to them leaving then they can't. I guess the issue is that both parents didn't agree to them entering Australia in the first place and how she managed that I don't know, the hoops I had to jump through to get mine in with their father.

BoneyBackJefferson · 07/10/2012 13:55

Are those that are supporting the right for the children to stay with the mother not wondering why it was only an Austrailian news crew outside of the fathers house?

differentnameforthis · 07/10/2012 14:07

Which is exactly why I find this so odd the children are as Australian as they are Italian

You have to remember that they have spent all aside from 2 yrs in Italy. So subtracting 2yr from their ages, 7 -13 yrs spent in Italy. I would say they are actually more Italian, than Australian. They are pretty much only Australian by descent. I know that that means they are Australian, but really, culturally, they aren't. They couldn't even speak a word of English when they left Italy.

Like my 9yr, been here since she was 3. Speaks with a accent, have Australian phrases, calls things by their Aus name. Even tho we aren't Australian, she is now culturally more Aus than she is British. She has all but the vaguest of memories of the UK. My 4yr old. Born here, is Australian. More Australian than she is British, despite her British heritage.

Redsilk Hidden sisters fb page.

I am also dismayed that the Australian family have set up a fb page asking for $$ to enable the girls to be bought back here. People ARE donating, but they are being conned. Mum will never get permission to keep the girls here now, no judge in the land would grant her that after the way she has played this all out. So those donating are wasting their money!

Only her daughters were gullible enough to believe her Unfortunately not! One of my friends is wholly on her side. Shouting down anyone who dares to say that the mother did anything wrong.

Mosman, she lied to the embassy. She told she had permission from their father to live here. She conned them so much that they even paid for airline tickets & gave her $$ for when she got here. They are secretly rescheduled her flights to help her "escape" earlier, as she said she feared the father would cause trouble at the airport.

All this time the father was under the belief that it was to be a short holiday. He had already said that he didn't approve of them living here, so in pretence she dropped that & took her time to persuade him to sign passport forms, saying that she would just have a holiday instead!

differentnameforthis · 07/10/2012 14:12

BoneyBackJefferson Of course they aren't. :) Anything that comes from the Australian side (press, family etc) is not to be questioned.

differentnameforthis · 07/10/2012 14:26

Someone mentioned about the father having split the older & younger children. I have read that the reason for this is because the younger two are calm & seem happy to be there & the older 2, not. So for the sake of the younger two he decided that they should stay close by, with close family while the elder two clam down & adjust.

I don't see anything wrong with that at all. Why have 4 traumatised children?

Interesting

differentnameforthis · 07/10/2012 14:27

*calm, not clam. Fat fingers :)

GoldShip · 07/10/2012 14:31

It's disgusting.

MaryZed · 07/10/2012 14:35

What is disgusting, Goldship? Taking four children away from their father and the only home they have known, hiding them in another country, and telling them loads of lies?

That seems pretty disgusting to me.

GoldShip · 07/10/2012 14:36

It's disgusting. They're 6 years younger than me. I think some people on here have forgotten what it's like to be 16. Imagine being taken away from your HOME and your MOTHER to a completely different country. I'd kick and scream and fight ANYONE who tried to do that.

This should be about law, this should be about what's best for those girls and this hasn't been handled right at all. It's barbaric.

GoldShip · 07/10/2012 14:37

Maryzed - I don't really care about what happened before. I care about what those girls are going through now.

Does anyone know why the mother ran anyway?

Xenia · 07/10/2012 14:37

It's a legal issue., Most civilised countries have agreed the Hague Convention against child stealing by a parent which means if you want to move your children away from their other parent you need court permission. It is a very serious matter if you breach that. Apparently here mother pretended she was taking them to Australia for one month and then never sent them back! No one should behave like that.

GoldShip · 07/10/2012 14:38

Xenia you're completely right she shouldn't have done it, but what's done is actually done and whereas the mother should face some sort of punishment, the girls shouldn't.

MaryZed · 07/10/2012 14:39

Well you should care about what happened before.

Their mother took them away from their HOME and their FATHER to a completely different country. Would you have cared about them two years ago, or is it only now you care about them?

If your ex took your children thousands of miles away and hid them so you couldn't see them, would you fight to get them back? Or would you say "oh, well, they are happy there, I'll leave them to it?"

This has wider connotations for the thousands of children who are taken from their homes and their parents every year and taken to another country. The law is that they should return to their HOME country, and that the courts in their HOME country should determine what is best for them.

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