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Justin Lee Collins

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GlibGlobGloo · 26/09/2012 14:24

It just goes to show that you can't spot an abusive twat easily. Who'd have guessed?

story, sorry, Torygraph

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catwomanlikesmeatballs · 09/10/2012 14:51

Funny how his ex wife managed to live with him for years, have two children and never meet this abusive person isn't it? No history at all. Emotional abusers always manipulate people and compulsively lie to make their victim look like they are the abusive ones. I have had the displeasure of knowing several toxic people like that, everyone believes them until they get to know them properly.

DuelingFanjo · 09/10/2012 15:01

Wow - I am surprised (but pleased) by the verdict.

Nancy66 · 09/10/2012 15:08

I'm also surprised - I guess it's the tape recording that swung it.

Everything else could have been passed off as 'fantasy' or 'exaggeration' but there was no denying that he said the horrible things that he said on the tape.

janesnowdon1 · 09/10/2012 16:06

very glad this woman was believed! Thought the sentence of 140 hours community service a bit weak and £3500 towards prosecution costs very low. The case must have cost many many more thousnads than that to bring.

Animation · 09/10/2012 16:12

"Emotional abusers always manipulate people and compulsively lie to make their victim look like they are the abusive ones"

Very True.

Good job to the jury, that were able to see through his manipulations and attempts to turn it back on the victim and take no responsibility at all for the emotional and physical abuse he subjected her to.

Animation · 09/10/2012 16:15

Yes it's a very week punishments, but at least justice was done - he was brought to account for his behaviour and she was vindicated - for all to see!

Animation · 09/10/2012 16:16

weak

fraggletits · 09/10/2012 16:39

It is a weak sentence but hopefully it will cause a fair bit of damage to his 'career'. Becoming a celebrity has obviously gone right to his head so he'll need bringing down a peg or two to prevent this happening again. He may not have been violent to his ex wife, but he was having affairs behind her back while she was at home with two small children so that's not really 'not at all abusive behaviour'. Maybe she's getting a nice amount of maintenance and didn't want to jeopardise it!

Either way, well done to brave Anna, they tried to rip her to pieces when she clearly is already a broken girl and I hope this will be the start of her fixing herself.

owlelf · 09/10/2012 18:02

I don't see what 'being out of character' has got to do with anything?

He was found guilty of abuse. His previous form for such behaviour should be irrelevant IMO.

Is sounds like a message to the victim that her abuser wasn't so bad because he hadn't done it before.

I realise some people are struggling to believe JLC is, in fact guilty. That aside, the 'previous character' of an abusive person is surely irrelevant?

Animation · 09/10/2012 18:07

"I don't see what 'being out of character' has got to do with anything?"

Yes, thought the judge was a bit off saying that.

owlelf · 09/10/2012 18:10

This plus the awful thread I've just read in the news topic really make me despair or the sentencing element of our justice system.

owlelf · 09/10/2012 18:11

Of not or, sorry.

lighthousekeeping · 09/10/2012 18:30

I don't think it will affect his career. His wife probably never saw that side of him because he was too busy showin it to his bits on the side. I wouldn't be surprised if one or two come out to the papers after this. I hope a message has been sent out to other celebs that think they can get away with that sort of behaviour. I do need to know though, are we supposed to have our phones on record everytime we are involved with a nasty piece of work? Is it acceptable to do that? Technology has really moved on. It has to be in a good way.

Nancy66 · 09/10/2012 18:46

YOu can record people in the UK without their permission if it's for personal use

if you intend to make the conversation public you need to get the other party's permission.

One expeption would be in the prevention/detection of crime.

Jellykat · 09/10/2012 19:02

I had feared this case could go either way.. Phew, am now so pleased Anna was believed. Well done to her!..

I do think JLCs career will be in trouble, certainly Craig Charles and John Lesleys were/are. OK different circumstances, but hoping mud will stick for some time to come.

ike1 · 09/10/2012 21:18

His wife is not going to Anna any favours is she? Possibly enjoyed making her look 'mad' as a bit of revenge....

ike1 · 09/10/2012 21:18

And I can assure you I have no love for OWs.....

Feenie · 09/10/2012 21:20

Er....Craig Charles was totally exonerated. Hmm

PanonOlympus · 09/10/2012 21:21

Am really really surprised he wasn't adjourned for the prep of a pre-sentence report. This would have, by policy of most Probation Trusts, ended in a period of offence-focussed supervision. Unpaid Work has it's place at times, but NOT in the arena of domestic violence.

Darkesteyeswithflecksofgold · 09/10/2012 21:38

Justice was done but what a weak sentence.
There were people who got longer and custodial sentences for recieving stolen goods that were looted during the riots last year.
Says it all really!

PanonOlympus · 09/10/2012 21:46

I think the sentence was wildly inappropriate, rather than 'weak' i.e it esaddress nothing as to why he committed this offence in the first place. He will do his UPW in a 'secure' environment away from the media ( he won't be on a gang bus at 9am everyday) and remain in a 'she was out to get me, I did nothing wrong' state of mind. Supervision would have broke that down.

MummysHappyPills · 09/10/2012 22:16

Haven't read the whole thread, but heard the news on the radio and thought I'd come on here and see if it was being talked about. I'm glad she was believed and he was found guilty. Thought it wa despicable that jlc chose to show no remorse and instead called her a compulsive liar and an alcoholic. What a bastard.

I also thought the "out if character" thing was way off. One isolated incident could be deemed "out of character", not a sustained campaign of abuse. If the judge meant his behaviour was unexpected in light of his cuddly nice guy persona, well, that's abusers for you. Mine was a "nice guy" apparently, but no one knew what he was like behind closed doors.

I'm just so glad she was believed, when I read about what he did, it was such a classic insecure abusive bastard profile of behaviour that I believed her immediately. The sentence arguably maybe light, but no doubt his career is in tatters, and IMO his conviction sends out the message that if you abuse people, you will suffer serious consequences.

I wonder if a conviction would stick if it weren't for the recorded evidence? Not everyone is lucky enough to have this proof, many abusers are very clever about who they do it in front of, and often it is the victim's word against their's. Sad

Valpollicella · 09/10/2012 23:16

The sentence is shitty but lets all have oment of schaudenfreud (massively misspelled that!) in that he he never be a high roller on tv again.

Heck no network will touch him again....

I.am sorry for his children who will see a reduction in their maintenance as his income will plummet

feelingawfullylow · 10/10/2012 00:08

Instead of recording his foul ranting why didn't she just leave him?

ike1 · 10/10/2012 00:17

yep valpolicella thats prob why his ex wife took the stand in his favour