George Osborne Gets Booed Handing Medals at the Paralympic Athletics Medal Ceremony

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The nation boos at the Tory scum:

No one is saying there is no need for a welfare state, and no one is arguing for more drastic cuts to disabled services.

You are making that shit up all by yourself.

I suppose there is always the remote possibility that someone has been incorrectly classified as incapable of any work when they are in fact capable of some work?

I'm afraid one can't expect something for nothing - if you are capable of work, and classified as unemployed then when you take your benefits you should be prepared to do something for them - do these people have no pride?

"I think I already made my point on the Equality Act and the protection it provides for the disabled and which extends to recruitment policies"

All I can say is ROFL and sign off.

You've misunderstood, Freddos.

They don't just to send people found Fit to Work on workfare - those people have been thrown off onto JSA (if physically eligible) and will be doing JSA workfare.

No, they send people found Not Fit to Work on workfare. If these people fail to complete their placements (due to the whole, um, Not Fit to Work thing) they can then have benefits withdrawn as sanction. Brilliant, isn't it?

Currently it's still on a coercive-but-you-can-still-refuse-to-get-involved basis. But once involved it's sanctionable. And they're talking of making it completely mandatory.

thrown off ESA onto JSA

Really Orange? Do you have links to more information about that?

Yes, I put them on the other thread. Hang on.

Thank you

merrymouse, the country has run out of money, unless you propose that the government should start nationalising bank deposits/ private property etc?

As I have said before, I have no issue with the welfare state supporting those who genuinely need to be supported.

I would disagree on their being a dearth of well paid jobs for the disabled - I knew quite a few at work, myself amongst them.

Yes, access to swimming might suffer but would it be better to restrict funding to schools/ hospitals instead? The cuts have to fall somewhere, and yes, I would say that swimming is more of a luxury than a necessity.

merrymouse, you know that you have lost the argument, when you have to resort to immature insults.

Those of you who are NOT disabled or are NOT a carer of a disabled family have NO clue about what is happening in regards to DLA etc cuts. It is complicated and stressful, it is not clear cut as you desearve and you don't, but that IS what is happening.

I do not claim to know what is best for others in their situation and I do not care for people (Xenia for example, no offence) who have a comfortable and stable lifestyle telling me what it is like or what we could do to "better" ourselves.

11 years ago I got with my DP he had a very good job in the city of London within the computer sector, I worked with children. We decided to have a child (just the one before anyone claims we had a brood without affording it) Within 4 years of having said child I lost my job, DP became blind then lost his job ( not because of sight, economic situation of 2008)

I am now a full time carer for DP who has mental issues due to losing sight as well as the blindness itself. Has no way of ever getting back into the I.T. sector in the position he was, actually would be lucky to get a call centre job in the climate we have. Not to mention the 18 year old step son that has conveniently been kicked out of his mothers because he no longer carries any weight to claim benefits for his mum coing to live with us and the likelyhood of him finding a job is zilch.

Sorry I think the booing of Osborne was a sentiment held by many many people, but again I say only if it has effected you that you will really feel that sentiment.

Rant over :)

Uff, realise I didn't actually post the specific links on the thread I had in mind, and the initially linked articles talk about "work-related activity" without being explicit.

So bear with me a moment longer to get all you need.

In the meantime, I was personally told by a JobCentre Plus "Disability Advisor" that he sent people on ESA to do workfare (think he used the words Work Programme, which is what it's called).

He made a point of saying it was "voluntary - for now".

I think of the country as the people who live here and share a common responsibility to each other, not just the government's bank balance. Of course you don't have to nationalise private property and bank deposits. We, as an electorate, have a choice to raise taxes. You can argue that this would be a bad idea for the majority, or even that you wouldn't support it because it would be a bad idea for you personally.

However, please don't argue that cutting disability benefit won't have a serious, potentially devastating effect on disabled people, or that they could all be working if they just tried harder.

I apologise for offending you, but it is really difficult to have a serious conversation with somebody who believes that existing legislation has ensured equal access to employment for disabled people.

I cannot argue with people who are so smug and self satisfied that they can't believe unemployment and disability is only a redundancy or a serious illness/accident away.
Anyway, I'm away from this thread now

There are very few jobs even for the able bodied at present even graduates. For decades larger employers in the UK have had a legal duty to take a % of disabled people on to their staff. I cannot find the reference but unless it's been recently abolished it has been around at least 30 years to my knowledge.

voddie you picked someone who already had children so perhaps not such a good choice as there would always be a step son issue to deal with. Was that bad due diligence? You chose to work with chidlren which usally means a life of relative poverty - you could have chosen to work in the City or become a doctor instead. All these things rae choices and you relied on male income for money never never wise as I keep telling housewives on here - have your own earnings and then if your spouse gets ill and then has mental issues arising from this (so very many of the new claimants have mental illnesses and we need to deal with this - my own prescription woudl include whole foods only, lots of protein, fresh air sunshine and move, all the time, never sit around and that tends to help with depression as well of course as pills if someone is very bad).. and then you could have paid for his carers whilst you worked.

Okay so unemployable step son is coming to live with you - say halleluya - this is what can turn your family around. He is the new carer for your husband, yo get full time work - consider coming to London int he week for a job and commutnig back at weekends. Would give you a lovely break from father and son, a life back and even if you only just cover your costs I think it woudl make you a lot happier. That is my advice in that situation.

OH FOR FUCKS SAKE. I fucking give up . Stop telling me what I should have done according to the gospel of Xenia. I made my choices and my choices were just fine. I love ( is that hard to comprehend) my DP, son and stepson. I would not have my life any other way. BUT life is not what I thought it would be 11 years ago. Should I just leave DP, my son even??? really just because you are in a privileged situation. Wow you can be so cold.

Because of whats been mentioned upthread i thought id put up a link to this vid as the BBC didnt seem to want to report on this for their TV news. I wonder why.....

(I was just making suggestions - ss comes home, ss takes over care of father and care of his step sibling during the week - you commute to work int he week and come back at weekends - huge numbers of people live lives like that and don't expect the state instead to support them. It seems a great solution and you can be with those you love at the weekends. It seemed a win win situation all round and gets you off benefits).

Xenia what are the best interests of the disabled, and in what way do the right have those interests at heart?

I cannot understand why people would argue that the status quo should be maintained, when all this means is that much deeper cuts will be needed in the future to prevent us from state bankruptcy

I think mandatory economics lessons in schools would be useful - if more people understood how a balance sheet worked, this country might not be in the mess it is in

Indeed, if only Osborne had received even a basic education in economics instead of studying history. How different things might be.

One of the major reasons that MOST governments are in debt boils down to appeasing tax payers even in times of war and major crisis plus the fact that almost all government spending is based on mickey mouse money. Money that is debt financed through government bonds. The government issues IOUs in return for printing currency. This causes inflation, John Maynard Keynes said that "By a continuous process of inflation, governments can confiscate, secretly and unobserved, an important part of the wealth of their citizens. By this method, they not only confiscate, but they confiscate arbitrarily; and while the process impoverishes many, it actually enriches some"

Should the government continue to use mickey mouse money to spend on good causes? or should they be looking at ways to stimulate the economy and extract a fair rate of tax from all people especially those who can most afford it? I think the latter because the former is bound to end in tears.

Xenia you have beautifully demonstrated beyond all doubt with your suggestions that caring isnt valued by society.
No offence meant to you Voddie. Its just that Xenia seems to think anyone can be a carer.

(I was just making suggestions - ss comes home, ss takes over care of father and care of his step sibling during the week - you commute to work int he week and come back at weekends - huge numbers of people live lives like that and don't expect the state instead to support them. It seems a great solution and you can be with those you love at the weekends. It seemed a win win situation all round and gets you off benefits)

That is the lot of so many women, work all week and care for others, unremitting without a break. Only Xenia could make it sound like a picnic.

I am sitting here laughing 18yo ss has a hard enough showering every day let alone care for a disabled parent and 8 year old brother.

wow that has to be the biggest pile of crap ever, so someone works all week, then has to care for someone at the weekend.
are they allowed to sleep or go to the toilet?
tbh that suggestion shows how little X understands caring for someone.

I run a business, raise two DC and look after my elderly father. When I see him I am not overcome with the idea of how nice it is to take a break from my work and see "the people I love" instead I am overcome with panic and terror, tiredness and guilt and anger that I am unable to get any help for him because of Georgie Peorgie's cuts.