Ian Tomlinson's death 'not caused by Simon Harwood'?

[Solopower]

No doubt the court that acquitted SH of IT's death had access to more information. I know it's simplistic, but I wonder if Ian Tomlinson would have died if he hadn't been pushed?

He said he was scared of the crowd at the time and his blood was up after having been humiliated by someone who wrote graffiti on a police van. So that's understandable then.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-18851486

christopher alder

there are plenty
no-one ever gets held accountable

then people get angry
riots
the police say "why oh why"
the mark duggan case was awful. the police LIED and lied and lied.

Let's not forget the way the bastards in charge at the Met slandered poor Jean Charles de Menezes as well - trying to cover up their own incompetence.

That's a point edam. I didn't look at the coverage of Ian Tomlinson's death in the Sun and the News of the World when it happened and haven't looked at The Sun lately.

The NOTW and other papers peddled the evil lie that De Menezes jumped over the ticket barrier in a bulky coat ignoring all police orders to stop.

Andy Coulson was editor at the time and his friend Andy Hayman was in charge of the operation.

I wonder how many other links between negative reporting of deaths in police operations and the Met's friends in the Press there are.

Those Asian brothers shot in the anti-terror raid in Forest Gate that never was spring to mind. Hayman was in charge of that too along with Peter Clarke who was malevolently defiant at Leveson.

Protecting the public is a higher purpose, you see. Move along now.

we could do with someone protecting the public from the Met, tbh.

dh has a friend who used to be a web designer but joined the Met. His worldview has shrunk to putting people into two groups: scum and not-scum. He thinks his job is protecting non-scum against scum. Nice.

It was the NOTW under Andy Coulson which tried to claim that Harry Stanley committed 'suicide by cop' to help the police out.

The NOTW also interfered with the Daniel Morgan murder inquiry (the man allegedly axed to death by a NOTW hacker on the orders of the Met police). The police covered this up to maintain good relationships with News International, but had to sack their head of PR when it came to light.

The Sun printed police claims that John Charles De Menezes was a rapist. This was later proved untrue.

The JCDM inquest established once and for all that at the time of his death he was in the UK legally. But you'll never read that in a News International publication.

Obviously I meant positive reporting of deaths during police operations.

You have branded a large portion of 150,000 serving police officers as thugs - shame on you!

I take this rather personally as a wife of a police officer who protects biggots like you on a daily basis.

My husband deals with the most horrific crimes which include sexual assualt and murder. Last night he was 9 hours late because he wanted to charge an offender for the sexual abuse of a six year old girl, he didnt have to, he did it because he cares, as do his three other colleages who did the same.

Thousands of police officers do incredible work for their communities on a daily basis but its not splashed all over the papers so to some of you it doesnt exist?

Im sure the family and friends of PC Ian Dibell dispair over the views of some of you - I know I do.

Say a big thank you to your husband and his colleagues from me, Mumagainsthatred.

It's in his interest, as much as anyone else's that the rotten coppers get weeded out of the police force.

What do you mean your husband didn't "have to" charge a man for sexually abusing a 6yo?

Surely that isn't optional? Or is it? The sapphire unit has certainly thought so in the past.

No group with as much power as the police should be above scrutiny.

What I meant was he didnt have to stay personally. Im sorry if that wasnt clear, to you at least.

Interesting that out the whole of that post you choose only to comment on the negatives - how sad.

I agree, as does my husband that the bad apples should be found and be subject to criminal proceedings if necessary, but that wasnt what my post was about.

However, it would be much easier for all officers if the few bullies were punished, then maybe the others wouldnt face the negative and sometimes aggresive views they do, whilst trying to do his job.

I wont be posting again, so feel to pick apart this post too.

To those of you who hold a more balanced view, thank you for keeping an open mind.

The bullies and criminals aren't punished as they close ranks. This has happened time and time again.

All groups with power like the police have to be held accountable and their actions have to be scrutinised. Time and time again the met have lied to cover their backs, they have failed to protect people on a massive scale, they have suppressed reports which criticise their behaviour. It's simply not good enough.

mumagains-

Of course people appreciate it when police go after violent criminals and protect neighbourhoods. This doesn't make them immune from criticism.

Not all police officers may be 'thugs', but we can legitimately talk about a problem with many violent officers and lack of accountability in the police force when so many police murders and deaths in custody take place, and there is almost no repercussions for those who commit these offences.

The police force need to be accountable just like anyone else. They are public servants.

Wow - even the fascist Daily Heil thinks the police force is out of control:

www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2177172/The-police-work-world-clear-rates-So-arent-bothered--1-433-deaths-convictions.html

yes, I was rather struck by the Mail headline and story.

One important problem is that officers are allowed to collude when writing statements about an event under investigation. They can get together and make the story up between them. How the hell is that permitted? In what world is that reasonable? It's just inviting them to cover for thuggish colleagues. Another is that they can refuse to be interviewed by the IPCC. God knows the IPCC is bad enough, but not even to have the power to interview the officers involved in the death of a member of the public? The whole system is rotten and protects corrupt, thuggish officers. To the detriment of the public and of decent officers too.

i note from the daily mail report a fact that i didnt know before.

two of the complaints against hardwood were made by fellow officers. hardly proof that officers in general collude to protect those who are doing wrong

one of the reasons i and many others joined the police is because i dont like to see people taking advantage of those in a weaker position than themselves, a state of play in most crime.

if i saw another officer abusing their power i would happily shop them as would many others.

Glad to hear it, hellodave.

Glad to hear that, Hellodave. But I would imagine it's very hard to accuse another officer, still more difficult to testify against them. It must require an enormous amount of courage to do something like that - as it would in any profession.

Maybe what is needed is something similar to a good zero-tolerance anti-bullying policy in a school. And an organisation with real clout to police the police. It's not rocket science.

What I just don't understand is why it doesn't seem to happen.

Its absolutely disgusting that a police officer can get away with murder. That poor man, the police are meant to uphold the law not abuse it!

This thread is ridiculous.

Ridiculous? In what way?

People who don't know what they are talking about slagging off the police.

Well I guess people are concerned about the police when they seem to employ thugs like this man. And the levels of corruption and racism that is reported from time to time.