What punishment do you think the British legal system would deem appropriate for someone who rapes a 5 year old?

[Mintyy]

I'm not going to link because I saw this in the Daily Mail. But, really, am truly horrified.

laurie having read your last comment, which took this perfectly reasonable comment: "I think by age 8, a child knows right from wrong" and re-interpret that as "the idea of making an abused 8 year old criminally responsible if they sexually assault a younger child"

You clearly have an axe to grind here, fuck only knows why, but it is not nice to read, and to treat a person who has been the victim of abuse as you have is just bang out of line.

He did whatever his defence team told him to do I'm sure.

SQ - you do seem to be zero-ing on anything I say, rather clumsily and exhibiting a reading and comprehension deficit. I and no-one else has stated he is living in 'dire' circs. Read the stuff that has been written, not what you wish had been written.

I have no idea what circumstances this child grew up under - all I know is what you know, that he was sexually abused because he was exposed to pornography. Thats all that's obvious from the report.

And I'm telling Dotty a fact - that people are not born evil. Of course she can choose to think differently from that, I can't take that away from her. Stating a fact as I believe it is not 'dusgusting'.

SQ - in the parlance of MN, you appear as a 'pitch-fork apologist'.

Sardine - it is clear that I was responding to pumpkin who said that she thought 8 was the right age for someone to know right from wrong (I presume she was responding to my question).

Funny Laurie cause I was actully told it was my fault by my parents didn't matter that he was 12 years older as I KNEW RIGHT FROM WRONG

Both you and laurie are talking a lot about your own clients, and what has happened to them in their lives.

You have both extrapolated about the reasons this boy did as he did, and thus why he deserves sympathy rather than condemnation.

Pan you specifically said you had read other reports that said various things about the circs of the boy.

I want to be able to read that for myself so please can I have some links.

laurie are you going to say anything to dotty, to be nice at all, or do you want to elaborate why in your opinion her views about her abuser, her brother, are so wrong.

You two seem to be gleeful in your rubbing the noses of others in this sentence.

It has provoked a reaction yet when people say it seems wrong you fight and shout to say how right right right it is the poor poor boy.

i don't get it.

Oh sorry laurie I see you have already responded to dotty.

Have you no compassion at all? Oh yes I see you have, on this thread in every single post it is for the attacker.

I don't have any opinion about dottys brother - only that I don't believe people are born evil.

Dottys last post indicates how badly she was let down by her parents which is really awful . Thankfully she said earlier that she is having some counselling.

And you said thankfully you aren't her counsellor as she has ridiculous ideas.

Hmm that was a bit wrong

You said this

"You're glad I'm not your counsellor dotty because I don't think people are 'born evil '

How odd."

How odd that someone who apparently works with victims of sexual abuse is so scathing to a victim, and so dismissive of their thoughts.

I've said 3 times now that I think the boy needs intervention.

And I have not said (nor do I believe) that the case has definitely been handled correctly - it certainly won't have been if no intervention occurs.

I came on this thread because of the child being called a paedophile and because others are calling for castration.

There is nothing gleeful about any of this - we have 2 abused children here.

Laurie I'm into my second lot of counselling since reporting it 9 months ago he's not my brother as far as I and my sisters are concerned after what he did to us me the worst.

Yes you are very worried about the boy and you hope he gets the help he needs.

Yes you have said that repeatedly. Yes I understand that is what you hope.

I am still interested to see the other reports of this case as I can only find the DM.

Problem is what if he can't be helped

I did not say she had ridiculous ideas.

I have not been remotely scathing, that is your interpretation. The 'confused' face should indicate that I didn't understand why someone believing you can't be 'born evil' should be a negative in counselling victims of abuse.

That wasn't the reason its just the whole attitude to abusers if he was less than 2 years older he would of got a custodial sentence no doubt about it, I don't disagree he was let down but he chose to do what he did you can't deny that.

You said she was odd, for believing that her brother was born evil.

I can read you know.

Back2two you can contact the attorney general and complain about an unduly lenient sentence

will find the link for you

here