The Conservatives

[MammaBrussels]

I cannot believe someone, even someone in the Conservative Party, would say this.

How can anyone support them?

It seems to me,that a disproportion of the brightest people end up with dementia.And im pretty sure that it is not the brightest people that end up doing most of the looking after of them.

the fact that you are advocating survival of the fittest as an excuse for rich people to treat poor people in a completely disgusting way is abhorrent.

the fact that you can tell yourself these lies makes me want to sick up a leg.

if its survival of the fittest then i guess we should look to all those who committ crime and get away with it

right then am off to plan how to knock over a shop and kill a couple of people to get a couple of thousand quid.

i prefer to go by the lesser known theory of the human race is better than clubbing each other to death and has the potential to do great things by helping each other.

but i guess that won't ease your guilt at being rich

www.equalitytrust.org.uk/saunders-response has responses to your links Claig. Don't agree with a lot of what you say but thanks for posting a link. Instead of talking about outside toilets . Xenia do you truly believe that working in the law and earning bucketloads makes you more of a success story in human and evolutionary terms than a nurse or a teacher?
at novakcurrie

claig-

'Can you back up this interpretation?'

I can't back it up because I am not a Bible scholar, but Jesus forgives everyone and said we should do so too.

Well yes, but that's besides the point. Jesus said he does forgive, if people repented, but that doesn't mean he doesn't say certain behaviour is wrong and other behaviour is right.

Being born into a rich family and inheriting wealth by an accident of birth does not mean that someone will not enter Heaven. Having money is not a crime. It is what you do with that money, how you use the talents that you were given, that determines if you have done good or not.

Because you say so?

'You cannot serve God and money'

That is saying do not worship money, do not became greedy, because that will lead you away from God. God is not found in money, and seeking God is the goal, not earning money.

I think that if you're a banker or CEO who earns million pound bonuses while millions starve, then you're probably going to hell. It'd be quiet a stretch to not interpret this as 'love of money'. Jesus consistently preached for people to give away and share their wealth with the poor.

Greed is one of the seven sins, but a sinner is also forgiven.

Yes dear, but we're not discussing whether sin can be forgiven. We we were discussing whether love of money is a sin, and whether the rich, according to the Bible, are going to hell.

Personally, I think it's pretty clear throughout the Bible that Jesus consistently preaches that people should not aim to be rich, and should share their wealth with the poor at every opportunity.

I don't believe that people go to hell, I don't believe the Bible literally. I believe that God id just, and obviously if you are born into a rich family, then that is not your fault or your choice and therefore you can't be punished.

I think that the love of money can harden your heart and make you less caring and human, and that is why it is a sin and a trap. The Devil believes in survival of the fittest, but God is a God of love.

The fact that some on the left want to deny the very reasons for existence of our species and how we develop, adapt and triumph over others simply shows how deluded they are. Is anyone suggesting I am wrong? We are here today because we were the strongest, fittest, best looking of our ancestors and we triumphed over those who were weaker, less attractive and the like. It is ever thus and always shall be. That doe snot mean you cannot enjuoy personal happiness at lower income levels. Happiness does not follow money or go away from money. It is not related and thus it doesn't really matter if you have money or not. You can even be happy without a lavatory.

That someone can suggest that the poor are not better off today even though they have heaps more comforts, heating, loos than they had when I was a little girl sounds a bit silly. They are grateful every day (one hopes) that they have these things. Life is much easier than then on all kinds of scores.

'We are here today because we were the strongest, fittest, best looking of our ancestors and we triumphed over those who were weaker, less attractive and the like.'

There are some very weak, unfit, ugly rich people and royals and they may be here today because their ancestors were fortunate to have more money and could afford better diets and medicine and doctors than people who were stronger, more attractive and the like.

A lot of it comes down to good fortune and luck, and some billionaires realise this, and realise that they were blessed to receive good fortune and realise that they can't take it with them, and so they begin to give it away.

Not everyone has had the choice of a partner. Marriage has, historically, been a way of retaining wealth and lands, gaining power, influence and access, improving social standing. You can't suggest that the progeny of these unions are all for the best in this world?

Not everyone can claim their ancestors were the strongest, fittest and best looking. Her Maj certainly can't

You can be happy without a lavatory as long as you don't get typhoid, giardia, hookworms, roundworms and whipworms which tend to thrive in areas without adequate sanitation. 1/10 of the world's population don't have access to safe sanitation.

The resident Darwinian strikes again.

The only time Jesus used violence was against the money changers in the temple. The money changers who later became the bankers. Seems this Jesus chap was quite clever, not that I'm into religion, most disturbed to think Ttosca is

Anyway I can't stop long, I'm off up the road to tell some pensioners how lucky they are to have an inside loo. Who needs to pay for heating, when you can just look at the radiators.

Let's not forget that people marry for money too!

I can't believe the negativity some of you display towards a successful woman who reached cabinet level politics at a time when politics was still considered a mans world and she got there without needing an all female list to be selected. But then the mysogony on mumsnet at times is as rife as the Daily Fail which is probably why we're getting the bible thumpers piping on here now.

Do you mean you Edwina Curry?

There are plenty of real ugly bastards who are rich! Will they survive?

Now, now, do be nice, it's what's on the inside that counts!

Who are these bible thumpers? do people on the right lack humour as well as humility and compassion?

I think it's the complete absence of compassion and empathy that makes people think of Edwina Novack. Which kind of negates her successful career in a lot of peoples eyes ssh don't mention eggs

EGGS EGGS EGGS

When debate is stifled by people like you sarge who just use rude phrases and fling direct insults instead of facts or enagaging in debate then it's easy to see why it's ridiculed a lot.

Thanks, Sarge, I would have missed that. Peter Oborne, the narrator, is usually very good.