Benefit hatred is out of control.

[carernotasaint]

www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/owen-jones-hatred-of-those-on-benefits-is-dangerously-out-of-control-7763793.html

Dear god, Cod...

Btw, ATOS can do home assessments, on GP's say-so. Sorry I don't the details, but perhaps you can find out.

Thanks seralkipper, yes I am looking into that for her - we have a few weeks before the appt. She is one of my best friends and has been through so much in life - her partner dying like that (he was only 47) was just utterly unbelievable. How much bad fortune can one person go through?

Soldiers today who are medically discharged after an injury arising from military service get a totally separate award (GIP) from the Armed Forces Compensation Scheme, in addition to any lump sum compensation. They can also apply after discharge, should a service-attributable condition worsen leading to incapacity in later life.

Benefits and the medicals just got mentioned in 56 Up on itv1 .

funnily enough, whilst the sun article is vile, the comments are alot better!

reading the DM comments are far more depressing

benefits haters on this thread will be wetting themselves with excitement over this one

hardly bloody kerching is it?

Glitter thats awful and the comments from Melanie Pither at the end of the article prove the whole point of this thread,that benefit hatred not only exists but is thriving!

As I have said several times before DS 4 was costing £5,000/week in 2004 in residential care due to his complex needs prior to us adopting him. Factoring in the other SN children we have adopted we have saved this country over £3,000,000 we have worked hard to give them a full life.Sorry to all who have read this before. I just wish this f***g government could see this however I think they are too thick to do the sums
PS We certainly did not do it for the money

Glitter, that's dreadful.

But Melanie is missing the point, sadly - this govt won't be happy until there are no disabled people - or at least no unproductive ones. It is blatantly obvious that they think people who can't work don't deserve to be alive. :(

Shall I go out and shoot mine now and then myself, so they can save on my pension

Thumbwitch, precisely.

Benefit hatred has always existed. I remember a colleague saying he wanted to bring his rifle to work so he could shoot at the homeless/drug addicts/alcoholics that congregated on the park opposite where we worked.

Oart of the problem is the assumpting that work = commute + 9-5 - this is waht needs radical re-thinking.
Of course everyyone should work to the dgree that are able. So a person confined to a wheelchair cannot do a labouring job, but he could do an office job with adhusted hours so the commute is achievable.
With remote working, there are many jobs that can be done part-time or felcible hours.
Regarding the childrens hospital appointments - again radical re0thinking rather than jus tsheep-like acceptance of the status quo. If parents are required to be at appointments ( and every child has two parents, even if they choose to live separately) tehn hospitals need to be offering eveing and weeeknd appointments.
Why do we just accept things the way they are, and demand money rather than attempting to seek solutions relevant to the world as it is today.
it is better for people's mental heath to have every some kind of job - and this is where the creative thinking needs to be, not just agitating for money to keep depressed inactive which contributes to greater depresession in an endless downward spiral.
If a peson is too ill to leave the house, instead of complaining the government does not give her money, why is Cod not asking for treatment for her so that she can emerge from her dependency...on Cod...

So a person confined to a wheelchair cannot do a labouring job, but he could do an office job with adhusted hours so the commute is achievable

I think lots do do that actually, but remember not all disability = confined to a wheelchair!

If parents are required to be at appointments ( and every child has two parents, even if they choose to live separately) tehn hospitals need to be offering eveing and weeeknd appointments

Can you see consultants working evenings and weekends?

Also if the appts are eves/weekends that would mean other children in the family having to attend too which is not just inpractible but unworkable as you need to be able to focus on the issue at hand during appts not parent several other children.

it is better for people's mental heath to have every some kind of job - and this is where the creative thinking needs to be, not just agitating for money to keep depressed inactive which contributes to greater depresession in an endless downward spiral

Yes I agree if possible its better to be working;

Are you familiar with Remploy?

The government has closed 36 of 54 of them down

What you're are saying sounds good, but the reality is this government doesnt care enough to think like that.

Please could you MrsGuy find my DD a job she has DS heart problems with associated syncope, asthma she is a delightful person but has no sense. Could stack shelves for a couple of hours before becoming breathless but only the lowest shelves (only4ft 1 inch tall)
As AmberLeaf said it is not just about wheelchair users.
Re late appts I certainly do not want to take my children in the evening when we are 30+ miles from the hospital. Your ideas may be good but unworkable.
we are not benefit scroungers

MGoG, the question is not "Can any disabled person work?" Many do.

The questions are much finer grained than that.

1. "Can a person work enough to earn a living?" They might be able to work to an hour a day, with the help of strong drugs or at the cost of resting the remainder of the day. If they're paid £100/hr, that will be enough to live on. If they're paid £7/hr, not so.

2. "Is there an employer with a suitable position for that person's ability and skills?"

One of these wretched benefit programmes a while back had a 20ish lad who was dyslexic and had broken his back. He lived with his parents, who provided some care, in an area of high unemployment where most work was manual - and before his injury he'd had casual work in factories. His injury significantly reduced his capacity for earning and his employability.

It's not much use to that lad to point to Frank Gardner, security correspondent of the BBC who kept his highly skilled, highly paid job after suffering a back injury (when attacked in the course of that job). The lad couldn't have done Gardner's job before his injury - he ain't magically going to be able to afterwards.

3. "Do we think people who are not able to earn their living because of illness or disability should receive a disability pension, and what relationship should that have to National Insurance contributions - which are stated as being insurance to cover inability to earn one's living?"

4. "If we are not going to award disability pensions (or award them to less than 100% of people unable to earn their living because of disability), what are we going to do instead?" We could decide on No, but WTF are we paying NI for then?

Because if we put them onto general benefits like Income Support/JSA, the recent changes have introduced punitive activity for those. And these activities (mandatory workfare, mandatory weeks of write-a-CV courses) are exactly the things disabled people may not be able to do, and are punished by withdrawal of benefits.

It's the punitive activities which are utterly scaring the shit out of the disabled people and carers. Because we're unlikely to be able to fulfil them (and if we try may worsen our medical conditions - there's one MNer whose caree is now permanently more disabled because he suffered an episode while she was out all day at a mandatory placement). And when we fail we will be made destitute.

And I take offence at MGoG's that people have not been creative, or sit around sheep-like, or indeed that the previous status quo was necessarily bad.

Retraining, workplace adaptations, legal protection and advocacy groups have been around for a while and do excellent work in helping some disabled people into suitable positions. But they're not cure-alls. Ivan Cameron (to take a public figure) would never have been able to earn his living.

What's more, we're wasting huge amounts of public money chucked at inappropriate and ineffective mandatory "training courses." Before it was part of a mandatory you-will-get-better-and-you-will-get-a-job regime, I looked at getting help through two of the disability "job brokers". Overall they had a reasonable success rate when they were self-referral (which has not been replicated when they became mandatory) but god knows how. The staff of one were about 12 and couldn't speak standard English - and offered to "show me how to write a CV" (I'm a 40-something, literate professional). The other had slightly brighter staff, who simply had fuck all to offer apart from the "guaranteed interview" scheme which was why I'd gone to them in the first place.

Oops stray "We could decide on No, but WTF are we paying NI for then?" belongs with Q(3), not Q(4).

www.guardian.co.uk/sport/video/2012/may/21/london-2012-olympics-wheelchair-access-video

The video ive just posted above shows 2 wheelchair users and their carers taking an hour and a half to get from Westminster to Stratford and this is NOT during rush hour. And they are also told "we do not have ramps on the underground"
Mrs Guy everyone has 2 parents initially but in some cases one parent dies. In other cases a parent walks out because they decide they dont want to do it anymore. You cannot physically force someone to continue parenting duties! And then there are relationships where domestic abuse has taken place. The fact that none of this has occured to you speaks volumes.

Cheers to carernotasaint and all others who are struggling to come to terms with these vile cuts aimed at our most vulnerable people.
MrsG come to my house for a while I don't think you would last 24 hours.
Posts like this make me very sad, where is your humanity?

i do think these threads show how ignorant people are especially about disability.
my dd will never workfact the way things are looking when she leaves education(hopefully when she is 22) i will then be expected to be her carer...
so I won't be able to work...
yet no doubt people like MrsG will think I should be more inventive

Hi 2old Just wanted to say i think you are one in a million. xx

"theres one MNer whose caree is now more permanently disabled because he suffered an episode while she was out all day at a mandatory placement" Is there a thread about this on the board?