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Mumsnet, will you tell the woman that Ched Evans raped, that We Believe Her? And call upon the FA to kick sexism out of football?

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BasilFoulEggs · 29/04/2012 23:13

Dear Mumsnet
As you are no doubt aware, there has been the most extraordinary hate campaign waged this week by some football fans, against a rape victim in the wake of the Ched Evans Guilty Verdict.

The jist of the hatespeak, has been that a drunk woman has no right to expect the basic human right of not having her body penetrated without her active participation in that sexual act, or even her passive consent. Presumably because men (or at least footballers and their friends) have the right to penetrate women who are incapable of consent. And that if a man rapes you, it is because you are a slut, a slag and all the other hate-speak words used to de-humanise women and make it easier for people not to empathise with us when we are abused.

This week has seen the really ugly spectacle, of a bunch of men asserting their right to rape women, handmaidens supporting that right and both of them sending out a clear warning to all other rape victims, to know what to expect if they dare to pursue justice if they are raped.

If there had been a similar outpouring of hatred against any other historically oppressed group, the rest of the media would have been tearing their hair out analysing why some men hated this group so much, where the hatred came from, why it existed, what could be done about it; but ironically apart from the Daily Fail, there has been very little comment in response to the Twitter hate-campaign. If Twitter had buzzed with indignation at the jailing of the man who posted hate-speak about Fabrice Muamba, I?ve no doubt that the FA would have tracked down the posters and banned them from football matches. Because they?re busy kicking racism out of football. Sexism, though, is fine. They can give a bloody award to a convicted rapist, while their supporters conduct what must be a terrifying hate campaign against his teenage victim? right now, football fans don?t look all that much better than the Taliban, do they?

Mumsnet, will you use the voice you have against this horrible hate campaign? Will you tell the woman that Ched Evans raped, that We Believe Her? Will you ask the FA to state publicly, that they too, believe her and that in future, they will work as hard to kick sexism out of football, as they do to kick racism out?

Thank You.

OP posts:
BasilFoulEggs · 30/04/2012 23:42

Yes optimist it seems that the bar to have penetrative sex with women is incredibly low.

If she's not actually saying no, you can penetrate her. Is this what people think sex should be like?

Did the sexual revolution never happen?

Or did it just happen for men?

Oh. Right. Shouldn't have asked really, should I.

OP posts:
Zhx3 · 30/04/2012 23:48

I believe her

D0oinMeCleanin · 30/04/2012 23:48

I believe her.

Indiestarr · 30/04/2012 23:50

I believe her

LapsusLinguae · 30/04/2012 23:52

I believe her.

mamas12 · 30/04/2012 23:53

Thank you Basil

R2PeePoo · 30/04/2012 23:58

I believe her

CheesyPotatoes · 01/05/2012 00:06

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Tobermory · 01/05/2012 00:15

Amazing thread on such an awful subject . The attitudes of his 'fans' just disgust me.

I believe her.

HappyHippyChick · 01/05/2012 00:19

I believe her.

MonsterBookOfTysons · 01/05/2012 00:29

I believe her.
Dh believe's her.

rarebite · 01/05/2012 00:35

I believe her. The FA should stamp out hate speak towards women.

lemonpoppyseed · 01/05/2012 00:35

I believe her.

pamish · 01/05/2012 00:43

Anything less than an enthusiastic YES is not consent.

solidgoldbrass · 01/05/2012 00:43

I believe her. She did nothing wrong. She was unlucky enough to meet a rapist.

Most rapists have done it more than once. Rapists plan to rape, they're not suddenly overcome with lust or rage or frustration. I wonder what this one's past form is.

cakeslover · 01/05/2012 00:57

I believe her.

NarkedPuffin · 01/05/2012 01:38

I believe her.

EmpressOfTheSevenVagines · 01/05/2012 03:12

I believe her. Thank you, Basil.

CatitaInaHatita · 01/05/2012 04:34

I've not been able to get on MN all day, but have followed this via FB, TW and [Amazingly] The Daily Telegrqph. I said it on those pages and will say it again here.
I believe her. She deserves love and support to get though this.

The campaign against her is a campaign against all of us who have been raped. She is not alone.

LottieJenkins · 01/05/2012 04:56

I believe her!!

3littlerabbits · 01/05/2012 05:39

I believe her.

TanteRose · 01/05/2012 06:05

I believe her - thanks, Basil!

ThisWeekonFancyPuffin · 01/05/2012 06:21

CatitaInaHatita Hope you don't mind, i have used a bit of your post in my tweet

Just read this and it's so true - The campaign against her is a campaign against all who have been raped. She is not alone #IBelieveHer

LoopyLoopsTootTootToots · 01/05/2012 07:01

Has anyone contacted the FA yet? Or Sheffield United? Or their sponsors?

Basil, despite the inane responses on the Telegraph site from rape apologists, not to mention the barely legible ones on the FB page, it is so clear that the country is behind this young lady, and you have really helped to reinforce that. On behalf of the thousands of young girls who weren't brave enough to report what happened to them to the police, I thank and applaud you.

In my case, I was so drunk I couldn't say no. I think I was drugged too, but can't prove it. I was so young, and assumed that no-one would believe me because I was unable to protest. That was my virginity, my innocence, my freedom, my sanity and my sexual health all taken away by a man who knew he could get away with it. As soon as predators realise people will report them, this untouchable attitude will start to evaporate. If the 14 year old me knew that, things would have been different for me.

Thank you.

HillyWallaby · 01/05/2012 07:34

We should be getting all women footie fans (and men would be nice too) to pick those particular minutes in a match and all chant 'WE BELIEVE HER' at every premiership match up and down the land. That should send the message out loud and clear.

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