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Mumsnet, will you tell the woman that Ched Evans raped, that We Believe Her? And call upon the FA to kick sexism out of football?

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BasilFoulEggs · 29/04/2012 23:13

Dear Mumsnet
As you are no doubt aware, there has been the most extraordinary hate campaign waged this week by some football fans, against a rape victim in the wake of the Ched Evans Guilty Verdict.

The jist of the hatespeak, has been that a drunk woman has no right to expect the basic human right of not having her body penetrated without her active participation in that sexual act, or even her passive consent. Presumably because men (or at least footballers and their friends) have the right to penetrate women who are incapable of consent. And that if a man rapes you, it is because you are a slut, a slag and all the other hate-speak words used to de-humanise women and make it easier for people not to empathise with us when we are abused.

This week has seen the really ugly spectacle, of a bunch of men asserting their right to rape women, handmaidens supporting that right and both of them sending out a clear warning to all other rape victims, to know what to expect if they dare to pursue justice if they are raped.

If there had been a similar outpouring of hatred against any other historically oppressed group, the rest of the media would have been tearing their hair out analysing why some men hated this group so much, where the hatred came from, why it existed, what could be done about it; but ironically apart from the Daily Fail, there has been very little comment in response to the Twitter hate-campaign. If Twitter had buzzed with indignation at the jailing of the man who posted hate-speak about Fabrice Muamba, I?ve no doubt that the FA would have tracked down the posters and banned them from football matches. Because they?re busy kicking racism out of football. Sexism, though, is fine. They can give a bloody award to a convicted rapist, while their supporters conduct what must be a terrifying hate campaign against his teenage victim? right now, football fans don?t look all that much better than the Taliban, do they?

Mumsnet, will you use the voice you have against this horrible hate campaign? Will you tell the woman that Ched Evans raped, that We Believe Her? Will you ask the FA to state publicly, that they too, believe her and that in future, they will work as hard to kick sexism out of football, as they do to kick racism out?

Thank You.

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puddleofpiddle · 30/04/2012 10:56

I believe her.

PhoebeC · 30/04/2012 10:58

I believe her.

thestringcheesemassacre · 30/04/2012 11:00

I believe you.

That facebook page is just beyond belief.

SodoffBaldrick · 30/04/2012 11:02

I believe you.

Amazing to see such a united show of solidarity from MNers.

imogengladheart · 30/04/2012 11:03

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DharmaLovesDraco · 30/04/2012 11:05

I believe her, as did our judicial system

I have also signed the petition

StewieGriffinsMom · 30/04/2012 11:05

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mamalovesmojitos · 30/04/2012 11:07

First tweets were %23ibelieveher so maybe stick with that?

MmeLindor. · 30/04/2012 11:07

Most are saying "I believe her" on this thread.

#webelieveyou and #ibelieveyou were from the rape campaign

Devora · 30/04/2012 11:08

I believe her.

StewieGriffinsMom · 30/04/2012 11:09

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Greysky · 30/04/2012 11:09

I believe her.

PeahenTailFeathers · 30/04/2012 11:10

I believe her.

Ched Evans has had justice. I've reported the Facebook page as well - perhaps if it's reported enough times it will be taken down.

Superb OP.

AliceHurled · 30/04/2012 11:10

I believe her

festiemum · 30/04/2012 11:13

I believe her.

BellaBearisWideAwake · 30/04/2012 11:13

I believe you

WilsonFrickett · 30/04/2012 11:14

The facebook page seems to be heavily modded and rational in its tone so I think it's unlikely it will be taken down I'm afraid. Certainly any posts disagreeing are taken down immediately, which means there's no 'heated debate' going on. Calling for a retrial isn't illegal. Although calling for someone to be freed from jail just because their team 'needs them' should be, IMO.

StealthPolarBear · 30/04/2012 11:15

Would someone mind telling me exactly what's happening? He raped her, she managed through some miracle to get him convicted and jailed. The fa are now giving him an award? And did the match applause thing happen?

KisMittz · 30/04/2012 11:15

I believe her x

FrothyDragon · 30/04/2012 11:16

Someone (Twofalls, I believe?) mentioned they saw my comment come and go as they were reading it.

This is the logic they were unwilling to let stand on their page:

^"People who have consumed alcohol may reach such a level
of drunkenness that they no longer have the capacity to
give consent. The courts recognise that this stage may be
reached well before they become unconscious." Section 2.6 of the Crown Prosecution Service guide to prosecuting rape. CCTV evidence and witness statements corroborate that Ched's victim was in such a state. I believe her.

What you are doing to an innocent woman is nothing short of a witch-hunt. 6 in every 1000 rapes ends up in a conviction for rape. You really think it's that easy to lie about rape, get it to court (something that relies on sufficient evidence) and get a conviction?

It's worth noting that your hate campaign against the victim will do nothing to help other rape victims. We already have a report rate for rapes of 10%. 90% of rapes go unreported. Do you really wish to drive that number up? Should victims just not report?

Every rapist is someone's son, brother, uncle; whatever other words you're throwing around Twitter this week under the vile #JusticeForChed tag. No one wants to believe that someone they love and care about is guilty of rape. But he was found guilty for good reason. To Ched's victim: I believe you.^

GravyHadALumpyMashBaby · 30/04/2012 11:16

I believe her. Poor thing.

ohforfoxsake · 30/04/2012 11:18

I believe her.

MaryPoppinsBag · 30/04/2012 11:20

I believe you.

MakeMineACafPow · 30/04/2012 11:21

Maybe someone who knows how to set up facebook pages (its beyond me) should set an 'I believe her' page up where all the comments that are being deleated off his page can be posted. I expect it would very quickly get more likes than his page.

FrothyDragon · 30/04/2012 11:22

I'm on it, CafPow...

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