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Child guru says nurseries harm small children

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flashingnose · 12/02/2006 10:15

oh dear

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Greensleeves · 13/02/2006 21:07

I expect QoQ could come up with a nice QoQery to sum up domineering women like you ks

Dinosaur · 14/02/2006 10:24

This thread has taken some mighty strange meanderings

Very amusing though and distracting me from my work terribly.

What is all this about QoQ trolling and pretending to be a lesbian??

Greensleeves · 14/02/2006 10:31

You know she has been back recently under the name bangersandmash... on the original thread where she flounced, she posted under bangersandmash (around the same time as her flounce I think? I can't do links unfortunately) saying that she was a lesbian and that she and her partner had had children by IVF and were getting married. When questioned about it, she said "I was tipsy", and when pushed further she said she was "pretending to be a troll". It's all a bit fishy really.

HRHQueenOfQuotes · 14/02/2006 10:34

greensleeves - I've already said earlier that I don't like bringing old threads into new (and totally unrelated ones).

I know I'm not the only one - if you want to 'debate' it further - why not use the other thread rather than using this one??

FWIW - I'd been on the Brandy and Coke.

Greensleeves · 14/02/2006 10:38

Because the question was asked on this one. And I did ask on the other trhead, but you still haven't provided a proper answer. And whatever you were drinking doesn't explain that sprt pf weird behaviour. I'd like a proper explanation. I stood up for you after you flounced, because I thought you were honest and straight, if a little loopy I'm surprised and rather disgusted to find that you deliberately posed as someone else just to cause more trouble. We've all been drunk and it doesn't make us do things like that - it doesn't explain it I'm afraid. You should be honest about why you really did it!

Dinosaur · 14/02/2006 10:40

Fantastic detective work Greensleeves!

Greensleeves · 14/02/2006 11:03

I have nothing better to do Dinosaur!!

HRHQueenOfQuotes · 14/02/2006 11:17

of course you've never done anything to deliberately wind people up when you're very p*ssed off have you - because you're so perfect......

Heathcliffscathy · 14/02/2006 11:20

is greensleeves a new name for someone else?

Dinosaur · 14/02/2006 11:20

I have said lots of things I've regretted afterwards, but I haven't concocted a different personality and posted things that the "real me" would be very "anti".

oliveoil · 14/02/2006 11:20

'child guru has new book to flog hence scarmongering articles'

Much better headline imo

Greensleeves · 14/02/2006 11:26

I've not done anything really weird or despicable, no, not that I can think of.

ruty · 14/02/2006 11:31

and first prize for returning to the original subject goes to...Olive oil!

oliveoil · 14/02/2006 11:33

I did try to scan the thread and saw it had swerved into the nethers of people and words like lezzer were thrown up so I thought it best.

xx

ruty · 14/02/2006 11:34

i've really been embarrassed by a couple of my arguments on MN - I've ended up arguing uselessly and completely OTT like i do with my family at Christmas - thank goodness i don't drink, i can't imagine what I might come out with!

oliveoil · 14/02/2006 11:35

(I will study it thoroughly with a furrowed brow on my lunch hour however and get all the juicy goss)

Highlander · 14/02/2006 11:41

thank goodness for cyberspace ruty - wouldn't want hot roast spuds to start flying

ruty · 14/02/2006 11:43

oh i could tell you a few stories highlander!

bosscat · 14/02/2006 14:41

libby purves was also talking about this in the times today. (original subject not QOQ obviously!). She was pro Steve Biddulph and thought it brave of him to change his position. I didn't think he had changed it that much tbh. I read raising boys and thought he had always said it was not suitable for boys under 2. so now he's saying its not suitable for all under 3, it isn't that radical a switch of position is it?

anyway it made me feel sad and made me remember when I used to drop ds1 off at nursery in london and he used to cry. he started going when he was 11 months 3 days a week. ds2 started at 18 months and has never shed a tear. he seems to really enjoy himself. I thought to myself how mean it was of all these commentators to make us feel guilty like this. we are doing the best we can and making the choices which suit us and our kids best. at the end of the day women of retiring age are some of most impoverished in society. why? because they haven't contributed enough to their pensions to get any sort of decent income. so those of us who worry about this have to be hauled over the coals for our childcare choices. I wish they would all just shut up.

Greensleeves · 14/02/2006 14:50

Excellent point about women of retirement age being the most impoverished people in society - it's shocking. That's a measure of how we as a society value mothers and motherhood. No wonder women who work don't want to give up the jobs/future security they have striven for, and no wonder many SAHMs feel undervalued, invisible and humiliated. The problem is not that women make poor choices. The problem is that the basic infrastructure of society has been constructed on the assumption that women are unimportant, low-status dependents. It's not easy to make good choices when the whole system is weighted against you!

ruty · 14/02/2006 14:56

exactly greensleeves.

harpsichordcarrier · 14/02/2006 14:58

in fairness, that's essentially what biddulph says in his books
that there needs to be a new deal for parents

that we need to value child rearing more highly

bosscat · 14/02/2006 15:00

totally agree. what are you supposed to do? they all bleat on about how women should just stay at home for 3 years, libby purves saying "every child deserves a couple of years" well if you have 2 or 3 children that is a total of 4 or 6 years. It isn't that easy to just jump back into work after that period, in my particular field I would really struggle (law) and I've only had 2 off. Huge gaps in your working life means low pension and possibly lower salary or position when you go back. If they want to point out the blindingly obvious to sell papers then they should give us some real solutions. I'm sick of hearing this about women and going back to work. What about the fathers?

pashmina · 14/02/2006 15:04

same old arguement, put in another way by another child guru, with another book to sell, and guaranteedd to get mners on their high horses!!

ruty · 14/02/2006 15:08

it is absolutely shocking that in this day and age women are so discriminared against in the work place because having children and bringing them up is seen as a luxury, not a necessity.