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to think some people in the public eye shouldn't have access to twitter - rape victim vilified by footballer.

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cfc · 21/04/2012 08:29

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2132750/Wales-footballer-Ched-Evans-raped-teenager-drunk-consent-told-judge-thrown-away-successful-career-jailed-years.html

I've just lost this original post on my stupid tablet so will be more brief.

Gist is footballers get charged with raping drunk girl. One found guilty, other not. I don't really understand that only that not guilty guy went first and when guilty guy walked into hotel room he asked him if he wanted a go, boak, so perhaps the jury thought she wasn't too drunk to consent to first man, but was too far gone to consent to the other.

Anyway, team-mate of guys rants on twitter calling her a money grabbing slag. Does he not have the intelligence to realise that the get a guilty verdict in such cases is rare and can he therefore not accept that his friend must be guilty at least in some way of having sex with a near comatose woman - which is rape. She should sue the ignorant little shit for slander - no, libel, as it's a published, permanent statement.

Why do footballers have such a low opinion of women? Have the likes of Imogen Thomas et al ruined us all in their eyes?

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BelleDameSansMerci · 21/04/2012 08:40

It's not just footballers though, is it?

To take this case in isolation, though, this team-mate would be sacked and/or heavily fined if he made a racist remark but what will happen here? Probably nothing because the prevailing culture dictates that women "asking for it" deserve everything they get rather than expecting men to just not rape or assault people.

SardineQueen · 21/04/2012 08:42

Fucking hell!

What is wrong with them? And these are the people many boys and young men idolise. Money grabbing slag? For FUCKS SAKE.

Also agree with you it doesn't make sense that one was found guilty and one not. If she was too drunk to consent then she was too drunk to consent.

SardineQueen · 21/04/2012 08:43

Don't agree with this bit at all though "Have the likes of Imogen Thomas et al ruined us all in their eyes?".

They are hyper-privileged spoilt little shits who think they can do whatever the fuck they like and are OUTRAGED when they get caught.

The fuckers.

ripsishere · 21/04/2012 08:43

YANBU. TBH, Belle I hope your scenario doesn't happen. I imagine he will be vilified by his team mates and/or suspended and fined for bringing the game into disrepute.
I don't know who Imogen Thomas is though.

ReactionaryFish · 21/04/2012 08:45

You tend to get flamed if you have the temerity to criticise the Great British Institution that is Football, but from what I can see a footballer (a british one at least) with more than 2 brain cells to rub together is rarer than hen's teeth. So that doesn't help. but there's no doubt in my mind the culture of the "sport" is deeply misogynist. I loathe it, and I loathe its influence on our national life.

SardineQueen · 21/04/2012 08:45

"I imagine he will be vilified by his team mates and/or suspended and fined for bringing the game into disrepute."

Really? I would love to think so.

BelleDameSansMerci · 21/04/2012 08:45

ripsi - I hope you're right. I don't think many of his team-mates would disagree in private, though, whatever might be said publicly. Sad

limitedperiodonly · 21/04/2012 08:46

They probably think they can get away with as long as women make moral judgements on the behaviour of other women without mentioning the behavour of the men involved.

Just as you've done with Imogen Thomas.

BelleDameSansMerci · 21/04/2012 08:46

And, that was really unfair or me, there is no reason to currently believe that his team-mates aren't decent men. I am feeling somewhat cynical today.

BelleDameSansMerci · 21/04/2012 08:47

Of me. FFS.

ErikNorseman · 21/04/2012 08:48

Maybe there was no physical evidence for the other one. I think the issue of twitter access is irrelevant tbh, it's just a way for obnoxious shits to broadcast their views to a wider audience. Of course they don't want to believe he did it, that would challenge their entire worldview as spoilt entitled little shits.

AyeRobot · 21/04/2012 08:48

I think it's great that these people have access to Twitter so that the rest of us can see what they think, rather than them only voicing the opinions in their closed world.

If you keep your eyes/ears open, you will notice that these attitudes are not uncommon. That's why the CPS don't trust juries enough to put many rape trials into court.

FatimaLovesBread · 21/04/2012 08:49

I wonder if the fest guy was found not guilty because she met him in town, got in to a taxi with him etc, so may have consented at an earlier, less drunk stage of the night. But chef evans was just texted and turned up at the hotel to " have a go" it's not like she'd been with him previously and decided to go back with him. He just turned up for the comatosed stage.

I'm glad a man had actually been found guilty for a change, some of the comments on my Facebook make me want to scream

BertieBotts · 21/04/2012 08:50

Ugh, that's disgusting.

So, let me get this straight, man A had sex with a woman, "consensually" (Will reserve judgement on this one.) Then, Man B walks in, Man A asks Man B if he wanted to "have a go".

So... how is Man A less guilty than Man B? He must have known she was too drunk to resist if he was offering her up to all and sundry Angry How dare he do that?

Yeah, sure, Man B is despicable for doing it, and should have refused this kind offer Hmm but I don't get why offering up someone else's body to your mate isn't illegal.

gafhyb · 21/04/2012 08:50

Hear Hear ReactionaryFish

SardineQueen · 21/04/2012 08:50

Erik I think there is no question that they both had sex with her, and that she was utterly intoxicated (couldn't walk).

Is it that the one who went down was the one who sent the text saying he had "got" a girl? Sometimes juries are unwilling to "ruin a man's life" over something as trivial as raping an incapable woman, was it the addition of the text that tipped them over into a guilty verdict for the other.

Whole thing is ridiculous.
Way the BBC reported the evidence it sounded cut and dried, but still I was surprised even 1 got found guilty.

BertieBotts · 21/04/2012 08:51

He texted him to ask him to come and do it? WTF?

FatimaLovesBread · 21/04/2012 08:51

That should be first not fest, sorry

SardineQueen · 21/04/2012 08:52

One guilty and the other not is utterly illogical.
If someone is too drunk to consent, it is rape.
That is the law.

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cfc · 21/04/2012 08:54

Yes, unfair of me too. Just because a woman sleeps with whomever she chooses, married or not, doesn't mean that she's evil. God knows I was no angel in my yoof!

I wonder why so many of these young men have such a low opinion of women. I do believe it has something to do with the media portrayal of women such as Miss Thomas as the scarlet women, when they tend to overlook the married men who have more responsibility!

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margerykemp · 21/04/2012 09:00

The tweeter should be reprimanded/ punished in some way for that outburst. I don't see how that is less worse than the muamba tweeter who got 42 days in jail.

ReactionaryFish · 21/04/2012 09:14

Am I not right in thinking that Ms Thomas has already been to court once to vindicate her reputation against those who claimed she was a money-grubbing slag? She may have dubious taste in men (Ryan Giggs? boak) but she takes no shit.
Maybe if she sues MN now they can join you as a co-defendant, OP, and you can explain why you think it's a good idea to continue to vilify a woman who's already had to go to court once.

BertieBotts · 21/04/2012 09:17

No, it's because they think they can do what they want because women exist only to give them something to have sex with.

chocoroo · 21/04/2012 09:24

I'm a Sheffield United fan and am pretty bemused by this whole case. No idea how if Ched is guilty they're not both guilty.

It's nothing to do with footballers and a sense of entitlement. I don't know much about Evans off the pitch but the vast majority of footballers I have come across have been perfectly normal men, who wouldn't dream of this sort of behaviour.

However, I sincerely hope that Brown is sacked for his comments and will be emailing the club to say so. I had assumed that Evans would also be sacked immediately but they've not done so (or hadn't last night).

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cfc · 21/04/2012 09:30

Reactionary, what a apt name you have. Point out to me where I have levelled IT as a money grabbing slut. I actually appreciated her stance against himself. I believed she did nothing wrong except fall in love with a wrong 'in, and haven't we all done that at some point.

Your post is laughable, not just from a lay PoV but a legal PoV also.

I used her as an example as she's been so vilified in the press recently - she was simply the most recent 'victim' of this football- media misogyny that seems so prevelent, labelling all women as slags in their eyes because she's shagging a married man. She's not married, the responsibility lies wholly with him.

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