to think some people in the public eye shouldn't have access to twitter - rape victim vilified by footballer.

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www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2132750/Wales-footballer-Ched-Evans-raped-teenager-drunk-consent-told-judge-thrown-away-successful-career-jailed-years.html

I've just lost this original post on my stupid tablet so will be more brief.

Gist is footballers get charged with raping drunk girl. One found guilty, other not. I don't really understand that only that not guilty guy went first and when guilty guy walked into hotel room he asked him if he wanted a go, boak, so perhaps the jury thought she wasn't too drunk to consent to first man, but was too far gone to consent to the other.

Anyway, team-mate of guys rants on twitter calling her a money grabbing slag. Does he not have the intelligence to realise that the get a guilty verdict in such cases is rare and can he therefore not accept that his friend must be guilty at least in some way of having sex with a near comatose woman - which is rape. She should sue the ignorant little shit for slander - no, libel, as it's a published, permanent statement.

Why do footballers have such a low opinion of women? Have the likes of Imogen Thomas et al ruined us all in their eyes?

Chunky it backs up the fact that there is so much mysogyny in the media.
At the moment Red magazine have got a petition #speakupsavealife running on thier website to try and get DV advocates in every police station.
(i am going somewhere with this bear with me)
When the Dennis Waterman scandal broke, Sam Baker the editor of Red said that every time she tweeted about DV she was LOSING at least 20 followers.

I am furious that the team mates are attacking this poor woman who has done nothing wrong.

Me too, I've just been to the club's website and nothing - they should sack both of them, at the very least.

Radio 1's Newsbeat is disgustingly sexist when it comes to discussing anything regarding rape, abortion, women's rights, etc. I've complained more than once and now I simply refuse to listen to the station as a whole.

It's funny how rape victims always get called money grabbing. There isn't actually much profit being a rape victim.

On the other hand most footballers are overpaid scumbags.

I know

such a brave girl to report them

my mate was raped in a carpark by some manchester footballers 12 years ago, she never reported

The behaviour is shocking, I can't express how strongly I feel about it. Just seen an update on the news and the police are investigating how her name was published. Hope they get them for it. Disgusting.

YABU regarding the actual question you have asked.

"Some people in the public eye shouldn't have access to Twitter"? What? You are talking bollocks there.

Hi there,

We have moved this to In The News now

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Its disgusting isn't it?

I mean - The whole thing stinks of dodgy circumstances - From what I have collected from different media sources it seems that the young girl (who lets remember was only 19!) had been on a night out with friends, stopped at a kebab house - The footballer who was found not guilty picked her up outside in a taxi/car and they went back to his hotel for sex - They had finished and she was sleeping when the other one came in and had sex with her - He was found guilty of rape.

Why oh Why oh Why are his team mates sticking up for him? I just don't get it! If you were staying with friends and the partner got up to go to the loo you woulnd't jump in the bed and state you were "having a go" next - It makes me sick - I honestly think that anybody who has tweeted anything about the girl should be A - Banned from twitter B - Questioned by the police and charged for revealing her name and details C- Made to meet the youn girl and other young girls who have been victim to these types of attacks.

It really does knock me sick and then to top it off Radio One just makes her sound like a drunk - She was a 19 year old girl on a night out - What I want to hear is WHY where the footballers cruising around town looking for sex? I'm fairly sure there are laws against curb crawling!

Am I really that out of prder to suggest that perhaps some people who by their jobs are able to access lots of other people, who follow them, or read about it after the fact, shouldn't be allowed to post what they like. Maybe a totalitarian approach is slightly sledgehammer-nut, but perhaps they run their posts past the legal dept at the club or something. I don't know.

I'm sickened by radio 1. Did they perchance list the guys' alcohol intake?

Disgusting vile behavior.

What was her crime? being out in public while female and drunk?

He booked the hotel room as there was no room for his friends to stay at his parent's house

I dont believe that for 1 second.

Men like that [and there are lots of them not just footballers] book hotel rooms so they can bring random women back there for sex....often with their friends piling in too. You cant do that at your parents house thats why you need a hotel room.

The tweeting footballer should be sacked.

police are investigating the tweets apparently, the victim has been named in some places on the net. Fucking outrageous what is wrong with these people.

"What I want to hear is WHY where the footballers cruising around town looking for sex? I'm fairly sure there are laws against curb crawling!"

Pretty sure kerb crawling relates specifically to soliciting, not just looking for casual sex.
Nothing wrong with people cruising around looking for casual sex (not the most nobel of pursuits I'll grant you) as long as it's consensual. It clearly wasn't here for at least one of the men involved.

"Maybe a totalitarian approach is slightly sledgehammer-nut, but perhaps they run their posts past the legal dept at the club or something. I don't know."

Football clubs and managers are pretty universally oppossed to twitter and would rather not see their players on them. However they have no real power to stop them.

Am I really that out of prder to suggest that perhaps some people who by their jobs are able to access lots of other people, who follow them, or read about it after the fact, shouldn't be allowed to post what they like. Maybe a totalitarian approach is slightly sledgehammer-nut, but perhaps they run their posts past the legal dept at the club or something. I don't know.

cfc Without condoning what this prat has tweeted, would you be happy if your employer ran everything you posted past their legal dept first just in case it you embarrassed them by not thinking things through?

*"What I want to hear is WHY where the footballers cruising around town looking for sex? I'm fairly sure there are laws against curb crawling!"

I think that it sums up the arrogance, they could have well afforded a prostitute, but seem to think that any woman should be grateful for whatever they subject her to because they are footballers, as was said by one of them.

cfc Without condoning what this prat has tweeted, would you be happy if your employer ran everything you posted past their legal dept first just in case it you embarrassed them by not thinking things through?

This is commenting on a criminal case though, So some level of thought should have went into it and it's impact.

I (and many others) as a member of a regulatory body can be disiplined or removed for my conduct, including posting on the internet, so other professions manage to 'police' themselves and if not are done so by their employer.

Birds that is exactly what I am talking about - That attitude that anybody and everybody wants to sleep with them - Oh hey I'm just having sex with you whilst you were passed out but hey don't worry I'll sign your bra for you

birds The people who named this woman in tweets have broken the law against identifying rape complainants and I expect they will now be dealt with by the police and CPS.

I agree that they should have thought about it first. Never mind, I expect they're thinking about it a lot now.

If found guilty the club could exclude them from their ground as they do with some other troublemakers. Other clubs could follow suit.

I don't think they will and that is shameful. But the clubs know where their money is coming from and it's not from us.

It would be a start if lots more women pulled men up on shitty attitudes to women whenever they hear them: like refusing to get into a blame-game about worthy women and money-grubbing slags or questioning why some men find perving over lapdancers a form of harmless entertainment.

To answer your specific point: I presume it is a condition of your employment that you don't communicate anything that might bring your employer into disrepute and you are aware that doing so could be a disciplinary offence.

I can understand the reason in certain jobs but don't condone it as a blanket rule anywhere because there are many circumstances when it is good for us to know what's going on in organisations whether people have signed a contract or not.

That's why people should be free to speak out. Some of them will abuse the privilege but like I said, we should deal with them

Well the football club had started a investigation the comments from a Conner Brown.

Also, naming a complainant, regardless of the outcome of the case, is contempt of court and can be punishable with a prison term.

It would be a start if lots more women pulled men up on shitty attitudes to women

what? When men display shitty attitudes it's women's responsibility to 'pull them up on it' - would it be a bit too revolutionary to suggest that men take responsibility for their own shitty attitudes, what with them not being infants and all that?

Sheffield Utd's investigation into Connor Brown's comments are just an attempt to show they are doing something. They won't do anything unless they were already thinking of it because of his playing performance. Won't stop them lying and saying they did it for women though.

The FA could institute a Respect campaign similar to the one over racism but I won't hold my breath. That campaign was driven in large part by clubs who were fed up with spending millions on black players only to hear them being abused and threatened.

The racists haven't gone away. They just know they can't get away with being so overt any more.

Sexism doesn't cost clubs any money and would alienate many players, club staff, news commentators and supporters who'd feel 'picked-on' so nothing will be done.

That's why I reluctantly accept that it's something else that women are going to have to try to deal with. Challenge every revolting comment by ordinary men and women who should know better. Complain about every biased news item and complain to clubs and advertisers about the conduct of players. Maybe then someone will listen just to get you to shut up.

If you are the sort of woman who makes negative comments about WAGs for nothing more than the fact of their appearance, social lives and spending and drinking habits then maybe you should think about the damage you're doing before you say anything.

Because attitudes like these fuel contempt for women in general and that's why so many men, not just footballers, think it's okay.

wow

and there I was, thinking it was mainly because they are a bunch of self important cocks

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My last post might have explained my comment.

I'm not happy about a situation where I have to deal with men like I'm their mummy. But I accept that until they accept responsibility, I might have to do it.

I'm not talking about curbing my behaviour and that of other women. I'm talking challenging the shitty attitudes towards women of some men and sadly, some women.

When I worked I would have been subject to rules about what I posted anyway, so I guess in some way I would have been subject to my employer's standards or industry standards, but I would have been responsible for my own tweets as I would be legally aware.

Bearing in mind I have 4 followers (I don't tweet, but have an account) and footballers have very many more as they are in the public eye, and are role models (sometimes, unfortunately!) Then i think there's a difference between me tweetingm, my professional position notwithstanding, and a young man earning £££ that other young men loo up to.

Also I don't see here where anyone has wag-bashed. Perhaps i missed it.