to think some people in the public eye shouldn't have access to twitter - rape victim vilified by footballer.

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www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2132750/Wales-footballer-Ched-Evans-raped-teenager-drunk-consent-told-judge-thrown-away-successful-career-jailed-years.html

I've just lost this original post on my stupid tablet so will be more brief.

Gist is footballers get charged with raping drunk girl. One found guilty, other not. I don't really understand that only that not guilty guy went first and when guilty guy walked into hotel room he asked him if he wanted a go, boak, so perhaps the jury thought she wasn't too drunk to consent to first man, but was too far gone to consent to the other.

Anyway, team-mate of guys rants on twitter calling her a money grabbing slag. Does he not have the intelligence to realise that the get a guilty verdict in such cases is rare and can he therefore not accept that his friend must be guilty at least in some way of having sex with a near comatose woman - which is rape. She should sue the ignorant little shit for slander - no, libel, as it's a published, permanent statement.

Why do footballers have such a low opinion of women? Have the likes of Imogen Thomas et al ruined us all in their eyes?

I'm not sure it's fair to blame football for Ched Evans' behaviour. When you have an industry that employs so many young men and makes them rich, there will always be some deplorable characters, just as with music and movie stars. The truth is that the vast majority of footballers are decent family men who do a lot of charity work etc. Because the media cannot write front page stories about these, it's the thugs and rapists that are highlighted. For what it's worth, the vast majority of football supporters are also decent people who have slaughtered Evans on forums and message boards and are disgusted by him.

For EmilyPollifax to point out that this isn't the first rape case against a footballer is irrelevant. I'm not convinced there's a single profession that her statement doesn't apply to.

cfc I'm sure you'd realise it would be risky to post about your employer, or your experiences directly relating to your work for them.

But what if you posted about generalities pertaining to your industry on Twitter or sites such as this one, such as 'if you are footballer, women are round you like flies round shit'? That's undoubtedly true.

Do you think anyone should be penalised for saying things like that? Have you never commented frankly or negatively anywhere about colleagues or work acquaintances? Do you think it would be okay to be summarily dismissed for that, particulary in the event of a media storm?

I'm not sticking up for Ched Evans, Connor Brown or any arsewipe who supports rapists and the abuse of women. I'm just saying we should all think about the implications of what we say.

You were the one who brought wag-bashing to my mind with your OP. reactionaryfish asked you about it and though I wasn't convinced by your reply I thought I'd drop it.

But seeing as you keep going on about it, how do you explain this from your OP?

Why do footballers have such a low opinion of women? Have the likes of Imogen Thomas et al ruined us all in their eyes?

and this from a subsequent post:

do they view ALl women as undependable and easy for them to bed now, and they have the right to bed them if they flash the cash?

BTW did you ask your DH how he responded to this revolting event: My husband recently heard a young man in his gym say to another, complete with 'feeding the pony' ' hand gesture "you've got to flash the cash to get the gash". I mean, seriously?!?

Do you think these ideas are acceptable or do you think they should be challenged at every opportunity?

Or is it someone else's fault?

I didn't say that if you are a footballer women swarm around you.

I haven't, on twitter or facebook, lambasted a colleague or work acquaintance, no.

I believe I have explained why I picked I T's name out of many, but here goes again. I believe footballers view kiss and tellers as the world's worst. I believe some players (Ashley Cole, anyone) believe that they are doing you a massive player by shagging you and you therefore shouldn't do anything to rock the boat.

I've said before I believe IT was forced into going public with details of her affair with Giggs, I believed her when she was interviewed and said she wouldn't have ever said owt, had it not been for the lies perpetrated by giggs from behind the protection of his super injunction. I genuinely believe she was in love with him.

I think lots of people look at her experience in the public eye and only see that she spoke publicly about it, not that she didn't want to. I believe thatbecause these stories reach the media there is a perception that all women are out to get something from them. Indeed, there are women who are like that, no doubt.

My husband gave the guy a withering look apparently, and had he not been in the middle of a heavy set of weights he swears he's have said 'wanker' proper loud. He's not backwards in coming forwards is my husband!

Am on tablet and it's typing excrutiatingly slowly tonight so forgive me if I'm not very coherent. I can't skim back over the thread, so have I answered your raised points?

To add, yes, I believe that percieved wrongs should be challenged - I'm not really sure I'm getting what you're point is there. This will (today) undoubtadly be my fault - i am very not-with-it today. Humour me and break things down for me, I'm clearly missing something.