Victoria Beckham,Bad mother or not?

[charlize]

I used to think that posh came across as a really loving caring mum who had her priorities right.
Brooklyn seemed to go every where with her and there were lots of pics in the press of her dressed down out shopping etc with him. I really admired the way she juggled work and family life and respected the way she prefered not have a nanny but have family members help out.

In fact she said several times in interviews and I believe in her book that it was v important to her not to have a nanny, but to raise brooklyn as a family unit.

Am I the only one to think this has totally gone out of the window since she had Romeo.
That poor baby seems to have hardly seen his mother since he was born.
He has been taken to hospital 3 times in 5 weeks and only one of those times was his mother in the same country as him.
Not to the mention that those two kids must have no stucture or routine to there lives at all.
One minute there in Madrid the next London Then Manchestwr, then New York then Japan.
How many air miles has Romeo clocked up in just 14 mths. And how healthy is this?
To me she seems incredibly selfish, She has millions in the bank for gods sake, she can afford to cut back a little on the globe trotting surley even if just for a few months so the kids can settle in one place and perhaps she could be bothered to finally enrole brookly in school.
Rant over

[Jimjams]

My son goes to two schools- well reception 3 mornings a week (4 from next week) and a totally different nursery 4 sessions a week. He doesn't seem pahsed by it and neither do the heads (it pisses the LEA off but tough).

no idea whether VB is a good or bad mum though. Not sure about her choice in names

[Boot1]

Hope you don't mind me joining in. I have no real opinion about VB. The only thing is that I think she should give up the singing, it doesn't seem to be going anyhwere. I imagine she is a good mum in her own way, but the media as usual jump on everything. Personally I would just be happy to be with Dave in Spain and enjoy my money. I think she would be better presenting or something.

[WideWebWitch]

I don't know, you turn your back for 5 minutes and a fight breaks out...Ha ha at Brooklyn pretending to sleep to avoid the lullabies and at David being attractive to have around the house in an ornamental way, I completely agree.

Interesting though that no-one's calling him a bad father for being a footballer, pursuing his career and moving country. No, it's Victoria who's castigated for supposedly not being there. And let's face it we don't really know do we? I don't think the children are looked after by bodyguards though are they? It seems to me that her mum and his mum do the bulk of the childcare when either of them aren't around. I can't believe I'm defending VB but I don't think the woman has done anything awful (apart from her music), she just works and I don't see why she shouldn't. I wish she'd admit to the boob job though - I find it a bit insulting to be told she hasn't had one when I think it's fairly clear that she has.

[Bozza]

But thats what gets on my wick www. As far as I can see she whines on about not having a nanny etc etc (which I take as a bit of a put down to those of us who do use childcare but maybe me being oversensitive) when as far as I can see she actually has two nannies (her Mum and his Mum). I have childcare (3 days nursery a week) but I bet I see far more of my DS than she does of hers. And this is not just tabloid spin I have heard both David and Victoria actually speak the words. Marialuisa put it much better than I did though.

Also when they both went off on this money-spinning tour of Japan in the summer I remember thinking why? And I thought it about both of them. Surely it wasn't necessary to either of their careers?

[codswallop]

Lets face it nther of them need any more money - so they do it all for the publicity because (well def in her case) she is an attention seeker. Simple. She could hve a much more private life if she chose to.

[elena2]

I have to say, I really wonder why people like her bother having children if they're going to dump them on other people all the time.

Fair enough if you need to work a lot for money reasons, but that's hardly the case with her is it?

I she wanted to concentrate so much on her career she should have waited until she was ready to settle down a bit and give her children the stability they deserve.

[codswallop]

totally agree

[codswallop]

totally agree

[MrsVB]

I have to say, you Mumsnetters are A Catty Lot!. Come on, just admit you, you're all jealous just because my children come from a superior gene pool. As if a single one of you who is flat-chested wouldn't have a boob job if you could afford it. If you had all my money, wouldn't you spend it on smart shoes, too? My children are having a stimulating preschool life, which is more than you plebs can say when you park your dear little ones in front of a cheap quality video recorder all day.

AND ANOTHER THING, David's voice is sweet, not comical. And he's even prettier in bed than he is on the telly.

Must dash, Madrid still has a few shoe shops I haven't visited yet!

[codswallop]

Soupy......

[elena2]

[codswallop]

are you there soupster?

[katierocket]

but...(and I mean this is the nicest possible way ) how can you judge whether or not her children "have the stability they deserve"? you don't know her - we are all assuming we know the reality of her life./

those kids might be perfectly happy, content, cared for, stable

[katierocket]

oh sorry mrs VB - didn't see you there.

[codswallop]

No Katie!! Play the game - its slaggin - there are no shades of gray!!

[katierocket]

oh ok - bugger it
she's too thin, has scraggy hair and looks like a fish when she pouts AND I bet she steals sweets from those poor, poor children - shame on her

[Frenchgirl]

well MY dd goes to 2 schools too na na na na na!! she goes to her english pre-prep 4 days a week and goes to a local tiny french school one day a week, and it works very well!
sorry, feeling silly and childish today, have to compensate for doing some hard intellectual work for a change

[LIZS]

I'm pretty indifferent to the parenting of the Beckhams, perhaps because we don't see the tabloids very often, but I do find their overall lifestyle a bit strange. Have they finally bought a place in Spain and will they now base themselves there or continue to flit between the two countries, with or without kids in tow?

Have to confess that I did take perverse comfort from Romeo's tumble as it was shortly after dd had fallen down our marble stairs - a sense of relief that it could happen to anyone after all - but not having access to details I missed the fact that VB was not around.

I do find it strange, however, that whilst offically shunning publicity they continue to dress the kids in a particularly flamboyant and attention drawing fashion - I'm sure some of the clothes are freebies but it would not make such interesting press if the t-shirts etc were brandless. For example, I don't think that Princes William and Harry had become such obvious fashion models by the same age ( although I seem to recall a furore when they were photographed on holiday in Spain in Lacoste).

[janh]

THey used to wear OshKosh IIRC. Dead trendy then. (Is it still?)

[naughtynoonoo]

IMO the media want us to see what they want us to see and what they think will sell papers etc. I did also read somewhere that the most important thing in Posh and Becks lives were their families and IMO I think it is up to them as to how and where they raise their kids. If its true about your boobs being perky and rise up your chest after 2, I can't wait till my 2nd arrives in Feb!! Also read somewhere that even though Posh has Becks singing on one of her songs she won't have him in his video - big mistake because it seems that whatever that man endorses makes a huge amount of money - could give her a number one - not!

[elena2]

IMO a stable lifestyle doesn't consist of living in god knows how many different hotels, relatives houses and different countries when your Mum and Dad don't get to spend much time with you because they are too busy concentrating on careers which will probably fizzle out mid-thirties anyway.

I mean, we can all argue that we are getting these impressions from the tabloids, but they are a pretty accurate representation of the truth aren't they?
They spend enough time alone in the public eye for us to see that.

Nobody's saying they aren't loved to bits by them both, but a stable lifestyle they have NOT had so far.
Not to mention the kidnapping threats because their parents are so famous due to their careers. They wouldn't have to walk about surrounded by bodyguards all through their childhood if their parents had waited to have children till they weren't in the limelight so much, through their own doing.

[katierocket]

are you joking elena2:

"I mean, we can all argue that we are getting these impressions from the tabloids, but they are a pretty accurate representation of the truth aren't they?
They spend enough time alone in the public eye for us to see that"

do you really, really believe that what you see of them through the media is all there is to it? and how you can use the words "accurate" and "tabloid" in the same sentence asounds me.

[doormat]

elena2 I think the kidnap threats would have come whether they had their children later or not as they have money and lots of it.

I think we should give them a break about their parenting as they seem like very loving parents.DB especially IMO seems very devoted to his children.

Deffo a boob job or jobs

[elena2]

Katie, how do you know that in the case of the Beckhams, that some of what is said about their lifestyles isn't true?
Are you secretly related to them or something?

Of course a lot of stuff is sensationalised, but I'm talking about the actual FACTS that you read in the paper, such as where one of them is doing an interview, yet another public appearance, which country they are photographed in next, etc.

Why jump on that particular comment in what I posted? I suspect because there is no argument against the other comments, which IMO make them not the best parents in the world.

(ooh, I love a good debate )

[Bozza]

Have to say I didn't think badly about her because of Romeo's accident - these things happen and whether or not she was there doesn't seem particuarly relevent. Its just the devoted family bit that gets me going.