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Cease extradition of Mother's young son to USA. 'The Fight of Her Life' Julia O'Dwyer, Richard O'Dwyer.r

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Vesta2 · 20/01/2012 12:59

Fellow Mum's please could you support this mother in her campaign to cease extradition of her young son to the USA. Please visit her blog juliasblog-the-fight-of-our-lives.blogspot.com/og. Thankyou

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Vesta2 · 01/07/2012 17:12

Quite.

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Vesta2 · 01/07/2012 17:16

BTW the previous comment 'Quite', was in agreement with linerunner not Josephine cd

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Vesta2 · 01/07/2012 17:29

josephinecd ...a reasonable way to make a living? interesting question. Here in the Western world it is very difficult for any of us to have a reasonable way of making a living, or live reasonably without being a link in a chain that affects somebody somewhere adversely, perhaps oneday the people of the rainforests will extradite us all as terrorists as they lose their homes and livelihoods. Richard O isn't a terrorist.
Do you mind about the money?

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Betelguese · 01/07/2012 18:14

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Poulay · 02/07/2012 22:42

There doesn't seem to be any question of 'world policeman' here.

He set up a website for people to steal US movies and the US are obviously the ones to try him.

Just the same as if someone was selling fake Louis Vuitton bags you'd expect the French to deal with it.

LineRunner · 02/07/2012 22:47

No, actually if my neighbour was done for flogging fake french bags down the Quayside Market, I'd expect Newcastle trading standards to deal with it, possibly ending with a charge dealt with down the magistrates' court.

Poulay · 02/07/2012 23:14

I don't think you can compare a few bags down the local market with one of the world's top sources for illegal movies (which this site was).

Large scale operations, such as this one, are handled by national police forces. E.g., the French police acted against Hermès counterfeiters in China
www.wantchinatimes.com/news-subclass-cnt.aspx?cid=1103&MainCatID=&id=20120618000019

Rather silly to compare a bloke doing a few dozen bags down the market with O'Dwyer doing millions of movies on his website.

LineRunner · 02/07/2012 23:15

Indeed.

Vesta2 · 03/07/2012 00:52

LineRunner Grin

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Poulay · 03/07/2012 00:57

I meant someone selling millions of bags Wink

Vesta2 · 03/07/2012 01:23

poulay but O'Dwyer sold neither bags nor films.

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Poulay · 03/07/2012 02:39

He made over £100k from the distribution of copyrighted films. Whether that was done through a website, or through actually pressing the DVDs, it doesn't really make a difference. The guys in China didn't steal leather or brass from Hermès, what they stole was the idea, the design. Here is no different.

Vesta2 · 03/07/2012 03:21

poulay O'Dwyer made money from advertising space.
O'Dwyer did NOT distribute films, NOR did he make a cheap remake of 'Enter The Dragon'.
Furthermore O'Dwyer has not been accused of either of the above.

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LineRunner · 03/07/2012 08:55

His mother's quite open on the web chat that Richard O'Dwyer made £145k.

For me it's about magna carta and judicial autonomy.

If I read this correctly, a British person did something that was not unlawful in the UK, at the time it was done. But it was illegal in the USA so the USA have got our Home Secretary to agree to an extradition.

That kind of worries me.

I imagine the USA wouldn't bother to attempt this for any other reason than protecting corporate media interests, and probably wouldn't attempt it for any other 'crime'.

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Triggles · 03/07/2012 10:57

The difference is that he is not some innocent child that accidentally broke the law. He is a grown adult that quite obviously set out to make money by utilising a site that then relied on illegal copies of films, and knew he was breaching laws, based on the name change and the fact that he continued to reset sites after being shut down.

He is a criminal with no regard for society's rules. What a shame he didn't spend as much time dedicated to doing something legal. Not so clever, IMO.

Betelguese · 03/07/2012 11:18

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Triggles · 03/07/2012 11:24

He is not a "young entrepreneur" at all. He is a criminal with no respect for any laws, else he would have stopped when he was shut down the first time. I have no respect for him - he deserves jail time IMO.

Betelguese · 03/07/2012 11:45

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Poulay · 03/07/2012 11:55

Nobody can try him in UK because he has not commited a crime on UK soil.

Yes he has. The legislation is linked above. www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2002/2013/regulation/17/made

This country needs to respect and protect young entrepreneurs.

Ok?

Triggles · 03/07/2012 12:35

Yes I am in the UK. Not that it has anything to do with it. Hmm

Vesta2 · 03/07/2012 14:24

The UK/US extradition treaty was amended after 9/11 specifically for the purposes of counter terrorism.

Blunkett who signed the treaty has since stated he 'gave too much away'

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1308478/David-Blunketts-startling-admission-UK-US-extradition-treaty.html

Prior to the 2003 amendment O'Dwyer and others were protected from willy nilly extradition and could be tried here.

O'Dwyer's case is not about terrorism.

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Vesta2 · 03/07/2012 14:25

Blunkett who signed the treaty has since stated he 'gave too much away'

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1308478/David-Blunketts-startling-admission-UK-US-extradition-treaty.html

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