Cease extradition of Mother's young son to USA. 'The Fight of Her Life' Julia O'Dwyer, Richard O'Dwyer.r

[Vesta2]

Fellow Mum's please could you support this mother in her campaign to cease extradition of her young son to the USA. Please visit her blog juliasblog-the-fight-of-our-lives.blogspot.com/og. Thankyou

Poulay, The Charges against Richard were dropped so he is not criminal. People are not criminals unless convicted so by the courts. There has to be a trial at the court. Allegations or laws saying what must not do, do not count to a criminal conviction. The Laws tell you what "Must not do", but only Courts decide who is criminal.

The UK courts have determined that the behaviour is criminal in the UK
www.judiciary.gov.uk/Resources/JCO/Documents/Judgments/us-v-odwyer-ruling.pdf

It is criminal for me to break the speed limit in my car, but I still do it. I just haven't been caught. In this case O'Dwyer set up one of the world's largest movie-stealing websites, and he's going to be tried in the country that produced most of those movies.

Seems fair enough to me. The US has a multi-billion dollar movie industry and they've got every right to protect it. Why should we try him here? Surely if we prosecuted him in the UK then we'd be 'doing the Americans dirty work for them'.

These websites are definitely illegal and damaging to the film industry why should he escape justice. They want to send out a clear message to others doing the same thing.

I don't really think he needed a solicitor in international law - the 'fuck tha police' homepage made his understanding of the criminality of his actions pretty obvious.

Don't think legal insurance would cover you for criminal enterprise either.

It's really not rocket science surely? If you are selling blue cheese to the Americans, or something like that then I can see why you might need a lawyer to check the legality of selling food, etc., but come on, stolen movies is really not a grey area.

Where has Richard O'Dwyer been found guilty? Did I miss something?

Who said he had been found guilty? Why are you splitting hairs? He is being extradited, not to be tortured in Guantanamo Bay, but to stand trial to determine if he is guilty or not.

www.judiciary.gov.uk/Resources/JCO/Documents/Judgments/us-v-odwyer-ruling.pdf

The UK court has determined that there is 'probable cause' regarding his actions.

I believe that means that we are reasonably entitled to say that his behaviour was criminal. It does not mean that he has been convicted - yet - but on a balance of probabilities, yes we can say that he committed a serious crime.

Why is he hiding behind his mother at 24?

I hope he gets 10 years in Sing Sing. Maybe he will grow up a bit.

Guilty / Not Guilty.

'Splitting hairs'.

Yeah, right.

Of course we do jail innocent people in this country. It's called 'on remand'. Apparently the number of people who are held but never subsequently found guilty of a crime takes up the costs of 2.8 medium-sized jails a year.

That's quite a wedge.

He is guilty.

He just hasn't been convicted yet.

You don't need a lawyer to tell you that stealing movies is illegal.

Poulay exactly what is it you believe O'Dwyer to be guilty of?

JosephineCD at exactly what age should people grow-up?
And how does imprisonment make them into grown-ups

Vesta2 he has infringed copyright under Copyright, Designs and Patents Act 1988 s107 2a. This carries a sentence of up to two years in prison. A UK court agreed this.

He knew his actions were criminal. They are criminal by international treaty.

poulay ...but what exactly did he do?

Strange how the bankers can get away with cheating. They never seem to be called to account much for their actions. And it seems to be nigh on impossible to deport certain terrorists. However, I think he should face trial and prosecution in the UK. And should not be extradited to America. I read that his website was making £15,000 a month for advertising. I would imagine he knew he was doing something not legal.

He exactly set up a website for stealing (downloading) copyrighted (mostly) US movies, which he made a lot of money from. What more is there to say?

Not sure which bankers have got away with cheating. You might recall the Natwest Three, three crooked bankers who tried the same 'it's so unfair' line when they were extradited to the US, employing an expensive PR firm. They got 3 years in prison. I guess O'Dwyer will get a similar sentence.

poulay were the films on his website?

Habeas Corpus

Magna Carta

Prima facie

Michael Gove could be onto something ...

He knew what was doing was illegal. He thought he had found a loop hole but clearly didn't get that internet is not the same as a countries boarder.
He crime was commuted against the US, therefore they should try him.
He is not 'a young son' he is a poor little boy. He is a man that committed a crime and should face up to it rather than hide behind mummy.
The blog is not doing the ' campaign' any good. It is not clear and she sounds like an over bearing mother that knows her son is in the wrong but will attack others to prove so, rather than actually defending him.

I am not particularly interested in the O'Dwyer family, and tbh couldn't really give much of a shit about speculation on their personal dynamics - although how the campaign is being run is clearly interesting as a lesson in winning/not winning hearts and minds.

I am interested in the law and Britain's supposed judicial autonomy, as it affects us all.

Interesting thread.