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Cease extradition of Mother's young son to USA. 'The Fight of Her Life' Julia O'Dwyer, Richard O'Dwyer.r

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Vesta2 · 20/01/2012 12:59

Fellow Mum's please could you support this mother in her campaign to cease extradition of her young son to the USA. Please visit her blog juliasblog-the-fight-of-our-lives.blogspot.com/og. Thankyou

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CogitoErgoSometimes · 21/01/2012 09:45

The extradition rules between the UK and US are uneven and need addressing. Having said that, it's pathetic that a grown man (and 23 is an adult) gets Mummy to fight his battles for him. He was quite happy to take the profits from his website, knowing the risks. He should be big enough to fight the extradition himself.

BoysAreLikeDogs · 21/01/2012 09:52

oh, yes, what Cogito said, great post

Northernlurker · 21/01/2012 10:44

I've got a PM too. Apparently under 25 is young. As somebody who had two children to be responsible for by the time she was 25 you will understand, OP, that I'm not buying that argument.

BoysAreLikeDogs · 21/01/2012 11:14

OP, as others have said, please don't PM folk, let's have your views aired in public, on here, thank you

Of course 23 is not a young mayan, my DH had a full time job and a mortgage to service at that age, 450 miles away from his home town

annh · 21/01/2012 11:22

Given that the age of criminal responsibility in this country is 10, I'd say 25 is a long way from being young in the eyes of the law. I'd like to know where that opinion comes from. If the mother really wants to help his case, she needs to make the blog less emotive and more factual.

differentnameforthis · 21/01/2012 11:27

23 is NOT young. When you said young I was thinking under 18!

MonsterBookOfTysons · 21/01/2012 11:41

SoupDragon I also have had an arsey pm! Am reporting!

blackoutthesun · 21/01/2012 11:49

the uk and the us have a treaty

he made money from something which he shouldn't have done and at 23 years he is old enough to know better

PaintedToenails · 21/01/2012 12:08

I agree with most of the posters. 23 is by no means too young to know better. Many people have responsible jobs, homes, mortgages and children by that age.
The US have been cracking down (or trying to) massively on online piracy in the last few years, it's well known and if he still ran a website that 'acted as a google search engine for links to piracy websites' then he must have known the risks and judged them worth taking. Makes no odds that his site didn't actually host any pirated material.

He strikes me as an arrogant individual who, now the shit's hit the fan, has to get Mummy to fight his corner. The US has every right to extradite him and the UK seems to agree. His mother's claim that the extradition order was only upheld by the court because the judge didn't have the technical knowledge to properly understand the case is hugely arrogant in it's self.

And don't pull the whole 'he didn't know this was a crime in the US' shite. Ignorance is no defence.

ThatVikRinA22 · 21/01/2012 12:24

i cant actually find the blog in that link - so cant quite understand whats going on.

i dont agree with the us extradition laws and also feel they need to be looked at - and in the case of gary mckinnon and his mum i have much sympathy given that he has aspergers, but im not sure what the story on this fella is and i cant find the blog.

spenditwisely · 21/01/2012 12:28

juliasblog-the-fight-of-our-lives.blogspot.com

This should work

ThatVikRinA22 · 21/01/2012 12:51

the link is working but i cannot make head nor tail of what is actually going on? what is this young mans story?

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Vesta2 · 21/01/2012 15:35

northerlurker, soupdragon, bluebirdpies, tyson86,boysarelikedogs please feel free to report PM's, you all know they say exactly the same as what is in the reply's here, especially as they were but copied and pasted, you also know they are not insulting, offensive or contain swearing.

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Vesta2 · 21/01/2012 15:41

VicarInaTutu.
It is the story of a mother's fight to stop her 23 year old son being extradited to the USA for allegedly posting links on a website to films, (just normal films). The alleged offense is not illegal in the UK. In the USA the offense carries a sentence of up to 10 years.

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ThatVikRinA22 · 21/01/2012 15:46

i gathered but i cannot read the facts or their story - the website needs to be much clearer on exactly what has happened.

Why are the US trying to extradite him then? has he been pirating stuff? still dont get it....

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Vesta2 · 21/01/2012 15:49

Paintedtoenails.
I am assuming you are aware that ex Duchess of York, Sarah Ferguson is also wanted for extradition to Turkey for the undercover filming of children in their country, which is an offense in Turkey, one might also think that Sarah Ferguson was in a position to know better, however sources close to the Homeoffice say she will not be extradited as the alleged offense is not illegal in the UK, I personally have no desire to see Sarah Ferguson extradited to Turket where the offense carries a sentence of 22 years, and I also feel that the home office must apply the same process to the case of Richard O'Dwyer.
I'd be interested to know your thoughts on this, if indeed you have any.

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reelingintheyears · 21/01/2012 15:53

Sarah Ferguson did something in Turkey that is not illegal in the UK and she's not being extradited even though Turkey have requested it.

Why do the US get to be the worlds Policemen.

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Vesta2 · 21/01/2012 15:53

He is not a minor. Age is taken into consideration in law, and under 25 is considered young.

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reelingintheyears · 21/01/2012 15:55

Sorry,didn't see your post vesta.

I also have no desire to see Sarah Ferguson sent to Turkey but the same rules should surely apply to Richard O'Dwyer.

ThatVikRinA22 · 21/01/2012 15:58

agree the rules should be the rules, not one for someone of high profile and one for a nobody.

what exactly did he do?

animula · 21/01/2012 15:59

I think the inequality of the extradition treaty between the US and the UK is something we should be petitioning our MPs about, generally, not just in this instance.

Isn't Avaaz organising dissemination of a campaign about that? Maybe a link to that might be a good idea?

(Vesta2 - the PM-ing thing is just going to distract from what is a very serious issue. It doesn't go down well on mn - for good reasons.)

horsetowater · 21/01/2012 16:02

This report explains the situation well

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Vesta2 · 21/01/2012 16:05

soupdragon. Thankyou for hiding this thread from your view and for not sharing anymore of your views here. It is a blessing.

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Vesta2 · 21/01/2012 16:08

chitchatinchaos am assuming you are aware that ex Duchess of York, Sarah Ferguson is also wanted for extradition to Turkey for the undercover filming of children in their country, which is an offense in Turkey, one might also think that Sarah Ferguson was in a position to know better, however sources close to the Homeoffice say she will not be extradited as the alleged offense is not illegal in the UK, I personally have no desire to see Sarah Ferguson extradited to Turket where the offense carries a sentence of 22 years, and I also feel that the home office must apply the same process to the case of Richard O'Dwyer.
I'd be interested to know your thoughts on this, if indeed you have any.

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ThatVikRinA22 · 21/01/2012 16:13

thank you for that horse

i have a DS of 20 who has AS, and im just going to pop upstairs and ensure that he has seen this.

i think they the US are simply making an example of him. sledgehammer to crack a nut, and he himself did not actually appear to do anything other than direct users to other file share sites, which isnt a crime here, but is in the US? How many laws of another country do we break with no consequences?

seems harsh to me and i felt for him mum in that BBC report.