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BREAKING NEWS: P&G win gold on the mumsnet family awards (which they sponsor)

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iloveberries · 03/11/2011 14:25

Anyone else a bit cynical about this and think that P&G have basically 'bought' the award. My best friend and husband used to work there (how i met him) and I can guarantee they are anything BUT family friendly to work for!!!

OP posts:
WallowedInFlies · 04/11/2011 17:00

(i went all mary poppins then too - must be catching)

Vickimumsnet · 04/11/2011 17:03

On the P&G front it wasn't just their policy on peer to peer marketing that bagged them an award. It was that they:

Have a policy on meetings only happening during core hours so part timers aren't discriminated against
Have gender training and specific training to encourage understanding of flexible working
Have women in senior management roles who are supported to work flexibly and model family friendly behaviour
Offer enhanced benefits across all statutory areas (maternity, paternity, adoption)
have rooms available for breastfeeding
Have a 'my family' package that helps staff to find childcare including emergency childcare
have a parent and carers network
actively promote their benefits and flexible working packages to their staff

PS those were not in any order. I was simply reading their report whilst typing.

Vickimumsnet · 04/11/2011 17:04

Hi, yes it was the O2 contract and I think it is properly innovative and the first fresh idea in this area for ages.

BiscuitNibbler · 04/11/2011 17:09

Vicki - it is the Rose Blush & Peony that smells of sick. Can't say about the others.

Their peer to peer policy isn't true, though, so how can we trust the rest of their policies?

Vickimumsnet · 04/11/2011 17:21

I'm going to try it.....is it the liquid stuff? Wonder if I'd get thrown out of Sainsbury if I just popped in for a quick sniff Hmm

How do you trust the policies is kind of how I got into this Mumsnet relationship - I think you put them to the test. You talk to staff, you talk to customers you get the companies to tell you what the policies are so that we have a chance to challenge them if they're not real. We found across the companies that there were some really good policies but what we want to do is to make sure they're reaching everyone. That's why I think the O2 contract thing is such a good idea because it will reach people who are doing retail jobs where normally flexibility is really hard. It's never going to be 100% but we can try. Even if we just manage to get companies to come out and talk about this stuff it's a start. I think Confused

Vickimumsnet · 04/11/2011 17:22

Oh bugger I realised I just named a high street supermarket chain and now you'll think I'm promoting them. I'm not. They're not in the programme. They're just around the corner and the closest place I could pop into to get some smelling done.

josephinebonaparte · 04/11/2011 17:42

So in answer to the op, p & g did buy their award.

KatieMiddIeton · 04/11/2011 17:43

Don't worry Vicki. Everyone knows if MN were to be sponsored by a supermarket it would be Waitrose. Fact.

Vickimumsnet · 04/11/2011 17:48

LOL :)

JustineMumsnet · 04/11/2011 18:02

@josephinebonaparte

So in answer to the op, p & g did buy their award.

They, like everyone else paid to enter, because we can't do audits with outside companies, give mumsnetters incentive vouchers without a cost. This is a pretty standard way of doing things.

Can you buy a gold as opposed to a bronze? No
Did they try to? No
Are they sending stooges onto this thread to talk their company up? No

ShutUppaYourFace · 04/11/2011 18:18

Justine you're going all Bill Clinton [Cigar]

MaryMotherOfCheeses · 04/11/2011 18:58

But you still sold Awards.

There are companies who can say they won a MN Family Friendly Award, complete with your logo, because they paid for it?

Sorry to be slow on the uptake cos this is a very long thread, but isn't that really very bad?

LeBOF · 04/11/2011 19:13

They pay to enter, effectively. That's what it looks like to me.

stripeybumpinthenight · 04/11/2011 19:19

I think it's fairly standard to pay a fee to be included in this kind of recognition programme tbh. I'm reassured by MNHQ's posts and educated in the ways of these things a bit too.

Mindthegapp however.. Confused

WallowedInFlies · 04/11/2011 19:24

i doubt they always get a guaranteed award for their fee though.

MaryMotherOfCheeses · 04/11/2011 19:43

VickiMumsnet, 14.57

"everyone got an award".

So it's not an Award. Is it. It's advertising only less honest. You pay your money, you get your slot.

stripeybumpinthenight · 04/11/2011 19:59

I think wine awards are a bit like this.

MindtheGappp · 04/11/2011 20:09

Wow! It has taken me over an hour to read through the posts made since my last contribution!

I am very glad that the momentum has shifted away from 'me'. I have been on internet forums for at least 10 years and have learned to grow a thick skin and pretty much ignore personal attacks. Personal attacks say more about the attacker than they do about me. They rarely contribute to the debate.

I have not declared any connection to P&G (saying that, I probably do have a connection via my pension scheme as I'm sure most people in private schemes do). If I were to admit a connection to P&G, my posts would be discredited because 'I was obviously biased'. If no connection, then I don't know what I am talking about. I'd just rather leave it ambiguous and let the facts of what I post speak for themselves. The topic in this case is a justification for P&G to have a family friendly policy. I have listed some family friendly initiatives and I would love for people to debate them.

I am very glad to read Justine's and Vicki's posts. I hope Justine has reassured you that I am just a regular mumsnetter, just like you. I post on a variety of topics - education, religion, cooking, living overseas. In earlier years, I was more active on posting about birth and breastfeeding. Vicki's posts have been very insightful. I do believe that her data collection was very robust, from the description given. I don't think the sample size queries are too much to worry about. It may be interesting to note that in the FMCG sector, that a base size of 200 with a confidence limit of 90% works well for most business decisions. It sounds, and is, a small panel, but it is tried and tested. Obviously clinicals and blind tests require larger samples - but maybe only 400.

Someone pointed out that a company self-selecting into this project just wants to put their best face forward. I am sure that is true, but they cannot do it on a whim. They cannot decide when they hear of this project to create an image that fits. A family friendly culture is decades in the making. You can't create it overnight. Employees have long memories and someone with children of around 10 years of age will still have their early day memories quite vivid and will express them in any survey.

Some people have said that they work for 'similar' companies and don't feel their companies match the findings, and by association, P&G can't either. But that is the whole point. P&G rises above industry standards in this regard, as well as most areas of operation. You can't simply say because of their size, or which stock market they trade on, that they can be defined for their family friendliness.

Someone mentioned that they have been marketed by P&G via mumsnet because they took part in a product test. Well, no - that is not marketing. That is consumer research. That is P&G either trying to find out whether you liked their product (and were willing to buy for a certain price), to find out strengths and weaknesses of the product, or to satisfy specific advertising claims (eg 9/10 cat owners agree their cats liked the food).

I hope that we can continue to debate the issues and leave out what substance I might be relying on (white wine, if anyone is interested). I fully support the motives of Mumsnet and Vicki that the main objective of the project is to raise the standard of family friendliness in companies across the land.

TheSkiingGardener · 04/11/2011 20:12

So they applied, but one got rejected because they weren't even family friendly enough on paper.

So if they got through the criteria for entering then they got awarded gold, silver or bronze.

I guess it depends on where that bar was set for entrance. I think I wouldn't expect everyone who entered to get an award but probably most. What happened if the feedback from the surveys was terrible? Would they have been told, no award because you're crap?

I can see Justine doing that, so I'm happy, but my perception of the value of a bronze has changed.

MindtheGappp · 04/11/2011 20:16

A company is only going to open themselves up to scrutiny if they think they are doing pretty well on the family friendly front. A company that shafts employees left, right and centre knows not to apply - surely.

Ponders · 04/11/2011 20:25

If no connection, then I don't know what I am talking about.

if no connection, how could you possibly trot out so glibly those lists of family friendly features ("off the cuff") & marketing gibberish about Pampers?

TheSkiingGardener · 04/11/2011 20:28

I'm sorry MTG but the evangelically fervent tone of your posts about P&G mean that I find it hard to accept your posts as objective. Your experience of P&G may be good but it does not hold that that has been everyone's experience.

And a company DID get rejected at the application stage. So yes, companies will try it and see how far they get.

MindtheGappp · 04/11/2011 20:31

With that logic, I am evangelically fervent about P&G and others have evangelical hatred/suspicion/cynicism. I don't see why I am the bad guy with this argument.

Ponders · 04/11/2011 20:38

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I shall be watching...

ScroobiousPip · 04/11/2011 20:40

The thing is MTG, those posters who have posted negative remarks have stated their connections (DH, best friend worked there etc). We can then assess what weight to give to their comments based on the depth and breadth of their experience.

We can't do the same for your comments because you haven't stated how you know this information. For all we know, you might be making it up off the top of your head. Or you might be quoting policies that were in place 10 years ago but have since been withdrawn. Or, you may have really good up to date information that we should all give a lot of weight to. We just don't know because you won't say. It doesn't make for a reasoned debate.