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Amanda Knox

669 replies

LadyBeagleEyes · 23/09/2011 17:16

Her appeal is being heard at the moment, and there is a good chance she'll be freed.
So who did kill Meredith?
If she and her ex boyfriend are deemed innocent, I hope the Italian police will continue to look into the case and get some justice for her.
I don't understand why they say the DNA is flawed, or have Knox's parents just managed to hire some very smart lawyers?
It's such a sad case.

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EssentialFattyAcid · 03/10/2011 17:37

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fuckityfuckfuckfuck · 03/10/2011 17:40

Oh please. She is literally begging for her freedom. I don't believe she was involved at all. For you to say her body language is off just confirms that this is a case based on negative public opinion. I cannot imagine being in her shoes, she's lost her youth being locked away for something there is no proof she did. WHat of Sollecito? Was his body language genuine enough for you Hmm

fastweb · 03/10/2011 18:05

kelly2000

I admire your stamina.

Particularly since the task of demonstrating the rather subjective nature of that which is presented as FACT! appears to be more roundabout shaped than straight line.

fastweb · 03/10/2011 18:09

EFA

If it were that easy to spot innocence or guilt, with very scientificbody language trials would be a tad redundant.

Hang on

CSI
Criminal Mind

Crossing Jorden

and now

Lie To Me

ohh full house, or bingo,or whatever you say when you get all four corners.

cloudsandwind · 03/10/2011 18:13

Sorry DF, those links don't actually confirm how far into the interrogation Amanda Knox placed herself at the crime scene and accused Patrick Lumumba.

EssentialFattyAcid · 03/10/2011 18:20

Where the body language does not match the words the person is usually lying. Why would you ignore that? A jury doesn't ignore it and neither should they. I agree that it should take more than that for a safe conviction but it is a strong sign of guilt.

If there is insufficient evidence then by law Amanda should be freed. But by natural law if she is guilty she should be punished.

fastweb · 03/10/2011 18:32

EFA

A jury bloody well should ignore that.

Unless a "suddenly very scientific" body language expert wittness's opinion formed part of the evidence it simply is not relevant.

Immagine what could be made of a defendant's physical reaction to crime scene images.

"he looked away from the sight of his (alleged) victim, that's shame thar is"

"he looked at the pic of his (alledged) victim, talk about cold as ice"

Portofino · 03/10/2011 18:42

Yes - what of Sollecito's body language?

kelly2000 · 03/10/2011 18:50

I do not get the idea of the defendents giving a speech at the end, especially when they have chosen not tobe cross examined during the appeal. It seems unfair that the prosecution get one shot at summing up to the jury, yet the defense in effect get three - the defense lawyer, and the two accused.
It also does not seem to add anything to the evidence for or against them, and seems to be purely emotive.

EssentialFattyAcid · 03/10/2011 18:56

Well I disagree, I think a jury should form their own opinion as to whether someone is lying, and that watching body language is a part of that, although this is generally evaluated subconsciously.

When you give the example of reactions to crime scenes, that is a tiny part of the proceedings and I think juries are more sophisticated in their interpretation than you imply.

Portofino · 03/10/2011 19:16

No news yet? Tis past 8 here on the continent.....

abendbrot · 03/10/2011 19:20

I'd still like to hear it from you, cloudsandwind - what happened that night? What happened to Meredith? You tell us in your own words, what you think happened.

fastweb · 03/10/2011 19:21

I do not get the idea of the defendents giving a speech at the end, especially when they have chosen not tobe cross examined during the appeal. It seems unfair that the prosecution get one shot at summing up to the jury, yet the defense in effect get three - the defense lawyer, and the two accused.
It also does not seem to add anything to the evidence for or against them, and seems to be purely emotive.

It's the defendant right to speak to the court in their own voice, in their own words. It is also their right to not take the stand and face cross examination.

In order to make sure that one right does not cancel out the other the defendant is automatically given "the last word" as a form of a personal statement, which given it is their neck on the line, that seems fair enough.

Unless a defendant decides to unexpectedly confess or reveal something bombshell like, it won't affect the verdict so much (you can't motive a sentence by writing, "well the evidence was crap/not bad, but actually when it comes down to it, he looked/sounded guilty/inocent and we're going with that", theynhave to go with the evidence that did/did not stand up to scruitny) as far as I understand it is more seen as an attempt in incur leniency in terms of jail time to be served should the defndant be found guilty.

I think, given it's the only time anybody will hear K and S speak whilst being held, without the lens of prosecution, defense or media colouring how and what they chose to say, its place is justified.

I think it may be a consitutional right actually

Marjoriew · 03/10/2011 19:21

Amanda Knox and her boyfriend have been found guilty.

fuckityfuckfuckfuck · 03/10/2011 19:22

No verdict yet Hmm Not expected til 9.30 local time porto

Portofino · 03/10/2011 19:26

Marjoriew - that is not fucking funny if you are making it up.

clam · 03/10/2011 19:27

Eh? Guilty? Or no verdict yet?

fuckityfuckfuckfuck · 03/10/2011 19:28

She's on the windup. Yes, technically I suppose they have been found guilty. But we're talking baout the appeal, for which there is as yet no verdict. Plonker.

Portofino · 03/10/2011 19:42

Can I just say at this juncture, that whilst I don't personally believe that AK/RS are guilty, rather that Guede definitely is, I really do feel for the Kercher family. Meredith will never be forgotten. I want the full truth for them. Meredith deserves nothing less. Sad

said · 03/10/2011 19:53

Why is the verdict so late? Why not adjourn and announce a verdict tomorrow? It's surely not been designed to coincide with American TV times? Hmm

Marjoriew · 03/10/2011 20:03

Excuse me folks. I just got in the door and was talking to my neighbour and she told me there was a guilty verdict.

ForYourDreamsAreChina · 03/10/2011 20:07

said- the verdict will be announced on live tv at 21.30 Italian time, probably not uncoincidentally 10 minutes into the special live show on Berlusconi's channel covering the case.

The one thing that had me applauding today was Meredith's sister's speech to the journalists where she said that her sister seemed somehow to have been forgotten in all of this. Sad

Off to watch the special.

said · 03/10/2011 20:13

Hmm, is that normal in Italy though or is it also arranged for American tv?

DuelingFanjo · 03/10/2011 20:13

Marjorie, are you in Italy? Have they announced it? I so hope it's not a guilty verdict. :(

Marjoriew · 03/10/2011 20:15

duellingFanjo. Sorry, I'm not in Italy. I'd been out all day and I bumped into my neighbour and she told me it was a guilty verdict. Sorry for my post earlier.
However, I don't think there's any need for name calling.