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Amanda Knox

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LadyBeagleEyes · 23/09/2011 17:16

Her appeal is being heard at the moment, and there is a good chance she'll be freed.
So who did kill Meredith?
If she and her ex boyfriend are deemed innocent, I hope the Italian police will continue to look into the case and get some justice for her.
I don't understand why they say the DNA is flawed, or have Knox's parents just managed to hire some very smart lawyers?
It's such a sad case.

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DuelingFanjo · 02/10/2011 20:41

it's well documented that her bank was the first number listed in her phone, and also that whoever rang it did not put the right dialing code in to call it.

it could be that the number was rung during a struggle, in a pocket etc. There are many theories and possibilities and it would be incorrect to say that she defnitely called those numbers herself.

DuelingFanjo · 02/10/2011 20:43

her money was missing wasn't it? Certainly a set of keys were never found.

kelly2000 · 02/10/2011 20:47

dueling, that is a very good point actually. But even if it happened in a struggle, it still puts it later than 9pm. Also the phone was in her house until midnight wasn't it? So was the killer there for three hours? Guede looks too much of an idiot to me to try to be sneaky.

Oh Christ, we are real armchair sleuths are we not. i think we could argue for all eternity on this one. Mybe we shoud dleave it to the courts and just think of Meredith. Apparently the costs of hiring a lawyer and attending the trial have been breaking them, I wish there was a fund people could donate to. I do not think the families of those killed in a crime abroad get comepnsation from the state.

kelly2000 · 02/10/2011 20:49

No that was what was supicious to the police, the only thing missing were her two 'phones which had been thrown away. One of the girls rooms was ransacked, but nothing was taken, and the police felt the window was broken from the inside.

DuelingFanjo · 02/10/2011 20:54

the keys were never found though. Thrown away by guede no doubt.

I think RS and AK are as much victims as MK personally.

bradbourne · 02/10/2011 20:55

"No one really knows the time of death but the killer and he's a liar who is happy to see innocent people in prison."

You mean Amanda Knox? Who accused Patrick Lumumba of killing Meredith and left him there for a fortnight?

(And what a strange coincidence that she just "happened" to accuse a black man of murdering Meredith.... and, as it turned out, one of Meredith's attackers, Rudy Guede happened to be black. Amazing!).

DuelingFanjo · 02/10/2011 20:58

it's not at all strange given the questioning she was subjected to, the fact the police had found evidence that a black man had been at the scene and found a black man's telephone number/text message on AK's phone and so pushed her to implicate him.

It was the police who kept PL in prison, Amanda withdrew her 'statement' almost as soon as gave it.

bradbourne · 02/10/2011 21:06

In Knox's very own words : "Why did I think of Patrick?"

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1570225/Transcript-of-Amanda-Knoxs-note.html

And, as an aside.... I'm sure Meredith's friends were very upset and traumatised at the news of her death. They were also confronted with a foreign language and legal system. Yet none of them felt the need to lie or make false accusations and tell false stories.

DuelingFanjo · 02/10/2011 21:09

were all her friends questioned for 12 hours a day without a lawyer and an interpreter? blimey.

DuelingFanjo · 02/10/2011 21:11

and yes, it was shitty for PL and that's an understatement but it still doesn't make AK a murderer does it.

DuelingFanjo · 02/10/2011 21:17

I should leave this thread now as I am in danger of getting myself involved in a never ending argument but one thing I never really understood about that note printed in the Telegraph link... it so clearly demonstrates the pressure AK was under, the events which led to the 'confession' the confusion she felt about being told (untruthfully) that her boyfriend had implicated her and the fact that she did not believe that PL was involved. Yet people link to it as if it proves otherwise. Strangeness.

right, I am out for tonight. bed becons. I do hope that they (AK and RS) are released tomorrow.

kelly2000 · 02/10/2011 21:20

Knox did not withdraw her statement until lamumbo turned out to have a very strong alibi. After that she claimed she was physically assaulted by police, and is now being sued for this.
But Knox has been proven to have said far more lies in regards to this case than Guede, and unlike Guede she was found to have actually inflicted one of the fatal wounds to Meredith hence she got a longer sentence.

And the only people who claim the police pushed her to implicate lamumbo are her defense. The police have denied this. Why assume she is telling the truth about why she lied? If you look at the evidence report there was no immediate evidence that a black man had been there -no hair was found like people have claimed.

And even if AK and RS were innocent, to claim that they are just as much a victim as a young woman who was pinned down, stripped, sexually assaulted, suffocated, stabbed in the throat twice, and left to suffocate on her own blood whilst in the supposed safety of her own bedroom is disgraceful.

And the pathologist claimed that she died at ten thirty to eleven. She did not die at nine as that is when she arrived home, and she was found to hove eaten after she got home.
i find it hard to accept that the Italian justice sytem, the police, forensic experts (some of Europes leading experts), witnesses including RS's father, and judges have all colluded to frame Knox. And that although Knox has lied it is everyone else's fault she has lied. And any evidence that could posisbly go against her must be ignored, or at least only the defences opinion on it listened to. For instance the pathologist should be ignored as her time of death means meredith was killed when Knox does not have an alibi. Therefore we shoudl assume the pathologist is incorrect, and that the phone records were a clever ruse by a cunning killer, and that the witness who heard a scream is unreliable.

kelly2000 · 02/10/2011 21:23

One thing her defense claimed I really did nto get was this. he claimed she spoke no italian, and was questioned in Italian with no interpreter and that is why she kept changing her story and implicating other people. If she did nto understand Italian, how did she understand their questions enough to answer them.
However she also wrote an email to her family giving her alibi that turned out to not match with the facts.

Portofino · 02/10/2011 21:24

I thought that AK/RS were also charged with the theft of 2 mobile phones and credit cards? I will have to search back for the reference.

Re. the memories of that night. They admitted smoking pot. If she wasn't used to it, well who bloody knows. I don't take drugs - well unless you count chilled chardonnay - but years ago dh made "pot cakes" and persuaded me to have one. I was completely off with the fairies for hours!

Oh DF - include it being the middle of the night, no toilet breaks, food or water.

Portofino · 02/10/2011 21:28

Kelly - she didn't KEEP changing her story. Guede changed his 3 times, yet no-one brings that up.

kelly2000 · 02/10/2011 21:28

Dueling, but her transcript is her statement, the claims of the stress she was put under are unsubstantiated. In it she claims she was assaulted by police, yet now she is being sued for saying this and denies it happened and some of the things she says in it have been proven to be untrue.

Portofino · 02/10/2011 21:30

And NOT having an alibi does not make you a murderer. Give me the evidence that they did it.

kelly2000 · 02/10/2011 21:31

No-one says it does, but there seem to be people who are determined that any evidence that means she does not have an alibi must be discounted, so that people can say the time of death exonerates them as they have an alibi.

abendbrot · 02/10/2011 21:32

RS and AK were at his house. They weren't anywhere near MK. They were watching Amelie and were smoking pot. So what's new?

AK was questioned for 50 hours over four days. That's 12 hours a day and the police chose to believe what she said. This case is riddled with holes.

I hope that tomorrow we find out that two families have hope for the future and aren't lied by the pantomime that is the Italian justice system.

Portofino · 02/10/2011 21:33

Again, I repeat. Show me the overwhelming evidence that they did this. As opposed to the serial burglar who left lots of DNA then fled the country.

fastweb · 02/10/2011 21:49

If she did nto understand Italian, how did she understand their questions enough to answer them

I get stuck specifically on how she managed to recognise/understand either the condizionale or the conjuntivo, as a beginner.

From the wiki page

"Knox stated that during her interrogation the police asked her to imagine what might have happened at her flat had she been there,[37] and that she explained this vision of Lumumba at the crime scene in response to that question.[36]

I'll leave room for her utterly misunderstanding what was being asked of her, but I can't get arpunf the police asking a hypothtical and her uderstanding it

fastweb · 02/10/2011 21:50

arpunf ?

my head around...even

Portofino · 02/10/2011 21:51

I guess we will see tomorrow. After all the character assassination, and "flee the country" spiel, I don't hold out much hope. I never thought much of all this talk of the "patriarchy" on the feminist threads, but I feel that male Italian honour is playing a HUGE part in all this - as opposed to justice.

catsareevil · 02/10/2011 21:53

What do you mean fastweb? Do you think that it didnt happen at all, or that they asked her to imagine and she told them what happened or that they asked her what happened and she thought she was being asked to imagine?