Amanda Knox

[LadyBeagleEyes]

Her appeal is being heard at the moment, and there is a good chance she'll be freed.
So who did kill Meredith?
If she and her ex boyfriend are deemed innocent, I hope the Italian police will continue to look into the case and get some justice for her.
I don't understand why they say the DNA is flawed, or have Knox's parents just managed to hire some very smart lawyers?
It's such a sad case.

And Myra Hindley was a young impressionable woman, drawn in to Ian Brady's sick thinking over a period of time. That does not excuse her. But AK/RS had only been going out a week!

The crime most probably happened at or just after nine pm in my opinion. I am not saying the italian justice system is corrupt or rubbish in general but there's definitely something very wrong in this case.

Porto,
In Britain previous criminal convictions are not allowed to be mentioned in court, so Levi Bellfields convictions were not used in evidence against him in the dowler case.
In the Rose West case there was only witness statements that she had ever abused anyone not one shred of physical evidence. several of the witness sold their stories before the trial, which the defense pointed out. Today with the obsession with physical evidence, and the fact that everything could be blamed on fred West I think she would walk. I still think she did it, but I think the lack of physical evidence today would mean a defense lawyer could away a jury to think there could be reasonable doubt. All it would take was for three people to think there was reasonable doubt and she would have walked.
And in deviant behaviour starts somewhere, and where there is more than one person it is easy for people to get egged on and act in a more extreme manner than they ever would have done on their own. In the case of Bellfield and west, both were older and so if there had been no previous behaviour then it woudl have been highly unusual. In a much younger person than no previous deviant behaviour would not be unexpected. Myra Hindley was only 23 and had no history of deviant behaviour at all when she committed her crimes.
besides if there is evidence aginst soemone there is evidence against them, the evidence is nto allowed to be discounted in the case where the accused is young and has no previous convictions.
The original judge felt the forensics pointed away from the crime being committed by a single young male.

Dueling,
I think Meredith was on the 'phone at this time. Her 'phone records show she was making calls until about quarter past ten. A neighbour heard a scream at about eleven thirty, and her 'phone was switched off by 12:15. The autopsy also showed that she was killed around eleven thirtish I believe. Why would the 'phone company give false records to the police, and why would the pathologist make a big mistake.

There definitely is something wrong in this case. Unprofessionalism of the highest order.

Amanda Knox had been in Italy for a month, known her boyfriend for six days. She was 20 years old. She wasn't a throat-slitter. The Italian Justice system have turned this case in knots and can't undo it, so they just have to follow it through and let her carry the can.

But both Belfield and West had witnesses to their behaviour. And in the West case one of the children was killed when Fred was in prison! And Rose and Fred had been previously charged, but were let off because their daugher refued to testify. Ian Brady had priors. It is not the same at all.

I don't consider what the "original judge" thought to be of any great relevance to be honest.

dueling,
sorry the pathologist said death was at about 11:00pm not 11:30, and the scream was heard very shortly before this.

Time of death changed several times throughout the investigation. That's not supposed to happen.

It is not that exact a science.

You do not think an Italian judge, who made the decision and who has vast experience of forensics, and crimes, and also speaks italian and does not have to rely on translations to be relevant at all. It sounds like you consider the only opinons relevant are those given by the defense.
can i just ask what it is about the original judges that makes them incapable of making judgements on criminal cases like this in your opinion? They said the profile was not of a single young male, you say it is, why do you think their judgement is not as good as yours?

And in the west case, one expert said the little girl was in prison when she was killed, another said she was not. They could only look at the teeth to make a judgement on when she died. Like i said before there is always more than one witness, the defense will get their own experts in to discredit evidence use dby the prosecution and it is up to the jury who they believe.

west was in prison when the little girl was killed, not the little girl was in prison.

Didn't Meredith make an aborted call to her parents? Also a call to her bank was made?

not sure of the timings.

RE Rose West, in that case they had to prove that one of the victims died while Fred was in Prison. Even that 'proof' was a bit dodgy as the date of assumed death was very close to the date he was released from the prison he was in. They had to prove rose was responsible for one killing to make a case that she was involved in the other killings as there was actually no evidence that she was.

Re the scream, there were a lot of student hi-jinx during that period and I am not sure that any one would ever be able to prove that a scream that was heard was 100% MK. No one really knows the time of death but the killer and he's a liar who is happy to see innocent people in prison.

Nope because I am still looking for the evidence that they did it. Logic says they didn't. Profiles of similar crimes says they didn't. Show me the evidence that they did this - beyond reasonable doubt.

RE the scream, I was sure that the person who heard it wasn't able to say when she heard it?

A call was made to Meredith's bank around 10pm? A call to her mum a little earlier (possibly aborted?)...

what were the calls she made later on

Dueling, yes she was using her 'phone up to about 10;15, the scream that was heard was said to be certainly not one of people messing about, but of a woman screaming. There were no reports of other screams either that night or other nights in that area. there were running foot steps heard going down the steps at the back of the hosue just after. the pathologist also gave evidence as to the time of death, and it was decided she died between 10:30 and 11:00.
As for Guede, at this point in time he has been found just as guilty as AK and RS by the same justice system, and same police and forensic teams. In fact he was found not to have actually inflicted the wounds and killed meredith.

dueling, she tried to call her answering service. The last activity on it was 10:15, and it was turned off just after midnight.
The woman who heard the scream, heard it an hour or so after she went to bed. She had gone to bed at nine thirty.

I know someone called her phone but she didn't answer, some time after 10. But what were the other calls Kelly?

portofino,
Can i just ask why you think your analysis of the criminal profile is more accurate than that of the trial judges who have vast experience of criminal cases. Criminal profiling is not an accurate art in any way, and is more akin to CSI-style pop science. they are seen more on fictional TV programmes than in real life.

Why convict one person when you can convict three?

ok, well it's still entirely possible that she didn't make those calls, at least that she didn't call the bank or the answering service but that the killer did.

I personally think that is the case, that Guede called out on her phone after the murder.

There's no evidence to prove either way that it was Meredith.

The time of death cannot be exact.

there is other 'evidence' re Knox and Solecito's phone activity which has been twisted to fit a theory by many people.

I sincerly hppe that tomorrow justice is done and that both AK and RS are freed. I hope for their sakes they do not have to go to the third trial. I wish that some other evidence would come to light, the missing keys or a confession from Guede because I do think innocent people are in prison and that the case against them has not been proven.

the calls were to her parents, her bank, and her answering machine, and a GPRS data connection was made. the last of these was at 10:13 (she called her bank at 10:00), meaning she was alive at this time. I really cannot see the 'phone company falsifying records.

no - someone else could have made those calls. no?

10 p.m.-11p p.m. Time of death, based on the last cellphone call. So why did they say at the beginning of the case that she was murdered around 9pm? How complicated do they want to make it?

Also, her credit cards and rent money were stolen. Her phones were found the next morning in the garden of an elderly neighbour.

You think the killer found out what bank she used, looked up its number and tried to call the number because for some reason guede, who admitted being there at this time, wanted people to think she was alive later. And as you think she was killed at nine pm it means he held onto the phone for over an three hours just to make the calls and then throw the phone away. he also picked the right 'phones to use as she had an italian and english 'phone and used each one for specific numbers.
As the phone records show the location of the 'phone it means he killed her and then stayed in the house for nearly three hours, and waited over an hour before he made the calls.
he would have been screwed if the call to the bank went though - they record their calls. If you are going to make a false call a bank would be the worst place to call. Surely a text would be the most obvious thing to fake. I really cannot see Guede have the intelligence to go through a complicated rigmarole with the phone to throw the police off the time of death. I also think the running footsteps that were heard after the scream do not fit with the calm way he would have to be behaving to hang around for three hours.

Can I just ask why you think she was killed at nine pm, and not later.

aben,
No her money and credit cards were not stolen, the only missing things were her 'phones, despite another girls room appearing ransacked.

I do not think they ever said she was killed at 9pm.