Kick em out of council housing

[Ryoko]

I'm sorry but has this country completely given over to morons?.

So the out of touch idiot MPs want to kick the families of those involved out of Council housing, where is the justice?, am I the only one that remembers why the symbols of justice are a blindfold and set of scales?.

All those involved must be treated equally regardless of background, take the council homes away from the poor if you must, but also kick the rich from their homes for the actions of their stupid student spawn, kick the workers out of their rented flats for the stupidity that will cost them their jobs.

Change the record, the MPs have had it in for the poor for years endlessly blaming them for everything while turning a blind eye to white collar crime and tax avoidance, endlessly trying to create a self-fulfilling prophecy. with more and more news coming out the cases that are in court, the kids under 12, the Olympic ambassador, the upper class student, the 30 something teaching assistant etc it's clear to everyone this is not about unemployed teens in council estates, yet the MPs refuse to open their eyes and stop stamping on the poor.

families were warned to 'keep their kids in'........i'm in social housing,i kept all 5 of mine in,3 teens. and told a carfull of the eldests mates to stay away from town,they were headed in to take a look at the goings on. too easy to be invovled so i forced my 17 year old back in,grounded her. and told the others to go home. did my bit i think!

no way am i putting my tenancy at risk, not that my kids would get involved rioting and looting,but they would have enjoyed the excitement of being on the sidelines.

i'm a lone parent. ALL parents should keep their kids home. i think thats the message

There is a statutory provision that gives a ground for possession if an indictable offence has been committed in the locality of the dwelling house. If it's not reasonable to evict on those grounds then the court doesn't have to do it but I think that if you hold you community in so much distain that you'll commit offences against it then you really shouldn't be there. IME most council/HA tenants don't want people who persistently commit offences or engage in ASB as neighbours as it often makes their lives a living hell.

It rather sounds to me like the MPs assumed that a vast majority of the rioters and looters were the poor from council housing.

It's simply a fact that you cannot remove someone's private property from them. They privately paid for it and have the deeds. The are the legal, lawful and rightful owners. Just like you could not remove someones privately owned vechile for instance.

Its not about morals nor emotions- its a fact.

Therefore it would not work across the board.

Well done you ILOVE. If I was in your position I would have done the same. But lets face it. This entire phenomenon caught a lot of us/most of us ill -prepeared and a pretty much off-guard. Not knowing where your kids are from one months end to the next IS unforgivable. Not locking them in on two-three nights is less so. And as someone said elsewhere, what if you are a single mum and your 6 ft son wanted to be out with his mates...less clear.

It's life.You break the law you pay the consequences.If they've signed a contract with anti social behaviour in I fail to see how they can stay in said house-they broke the contract.

Perhaps some of these parents will start disciplining these kids if it's put into place instead of turning a blind eye and expecting the rest of society to a)put up with them and b)pick up the pieces.

Taking away people benefits is the second most stupid idea I've ever heard (the first being kick them out of council homes).

So kid from a poor family on benefits takes part in looting, the government insults them tells them that underclass scum like them shouldn't be allowed to breed, takes away their money and their home, what do you expect them to do?.

Meanwhile some over privileged uni kid takes part in the looting, gets a slap on the wrist, maybe community service, how is that justice?.

Same crime, same time end of, so the law says you can't take someones private home but councils can take away council homes, well laws can be changed. treat everyone the same and stop blaming the poor for everything and punishing them harder it's bloody stupid, unfair , creates resentment and the self-fulfilling prophecy.

we are mixing stuff up here. The MPs aren't pushing this. The public are being petitioned by a private individual to force a debate in the HoC as to whether state benefits should be withdrawn. How long for, or which ones, I don't know.

it was my 6ft daughter pan! girls are just as much of a handful as boys!

i have got extra tough with mine on the back of the riots....they keep pointing out to me the older people being convicted,'look mum,its not just us teenagers',my response is to bark,'get that hoodie OFF,its giving you a name'....i'm being totally unreasonable,i realise!

What if the perpetrator in the house is 14? What if they are 11? what if they are 9? What if the mother of the perpetrator has serious mental health issues? As above, what if the 14 year old is 6ft 4 and barged his way past his mother? What if you really want to be disciplined but you grew up in a house with a parent who grew up in a house with a parent who didn't parent them and you just don't have a sodding clue but are doing your best but struggling?

Where do you go when you are made homeless? Might it be the only help you get is from the local gang, who you are then beholden to? Written off and evicted under 14?

Let's be realistic, this is a terrible idea.

sorry ILove.

but yes YABTU..

Why should council housing and social housing landlords standards drop because many private landlords don't enforce the terms of the TA?

Working- if the perptrators are 14, then they need to be involved with SS....if the parents have severe mental health issues or just dont care but cant parent at that time

And what if you are a middle class Uni student living away from home?, what if you are a 30 odd year old bloke living in a rented flat and working as a teacher.

Come on people get some perspective, they came from all walks of life and half of em where over 18.

You can not be seen to punish one section of society harder then another for the same crime that is wrong and an injustice, as is the continued assumption that they are all kids from council estates, Daily Mail readers need to be shot.

Absurd idea. Another example of undermining the public sector as a system of hard won rights; housing is not a privilege accorded to sponging scroungers. Why is nobody talking about impounding cars owned by speeders? Fetishisation of private property is no way to dispense justice or promote social cohesion.

I tend to think we have shat intellectually, lawfully, morally, philosphically, technically, strategically and democratically upon this shit idea from a very great height.

If it's a one off then you're unlikely to get evicted because the court will look at all of the tenant's circumstances. If the perpetrator has mental health issues then the HA/council will need to show that they have taken that into account in dealing with the case. But, in most cases it's not usually a one off incident, just the latest in a long line of ASB incidents where the perpetrator has refused help and be given a number of opportunities to change and hasn't.

ss wont help (personal experience here with dd2) however,youth offending team are/were excellent!! however,they are being cut to the bone. i was told they would be good for my dd,and they bloody well were!

she is now 15 and an army cadet,wants to be a police officer or be in Royal military police. she was in awe of the officers who arrested her (3 times) and yes,i did call the police on my 14 yr old daughter. she has turned herself around completely

youth offending team were amazing...i'd say thats what we need more of

It's punishing people differently not disproportionalty. Some of those who will be convicted won't care about a conviction - it means nothing to them, it's just another one on their list. For some of those convicted, those in employment perhaps, it may mean the end of their careers.

Wow ILOVE. I think I heart you! YOTS usually only get blamed for not being able to correct 16 years of bad parenting.

These yobs who took part in rioting and looting probably live on council estates, but to throw them out and make them homeless solves nothing. The councils and the HA's have to realise it is too late to threaten now. These yobs have been allowed to live like pigs for too long. In houses that are falling to rack and ruin, gardens that are so overgrown because the tennants are too bone idle to keep them tidy, they dump sofas/beds/all kinds of shit in their gardens and on the street. They play music till god knows what time, have fights, windows get smashed, youths calling round each others houses at god knows what time. This goes on on every council estate in Britain and these scumbags get away with it. No one tells them to clean up their own shit, to drive their own unwanted furniture to the tip, to mow their lawn and tidy up their gardens. They have no pride in themselves or their home. HA's and councils should have been tougher years ago. They have to take some responsibility in this. These people do not live, they exist. Get them doing community service, wiping off graffiti, cleaning streets, take some pride back in their local area. They need to learn you can lead a happy and fullfilling life without being rich. There will always be a gap between rich and poor, and do you know what? That's OK. It's about being a decent human being. We live in a society consumed by greed, and success is measured by wealth, and wealth only. It's wrong.

I am not council estate bashing by the way. I speak as somone who grew up on a tough estate in Teesside, my Mum and Gran still live there. I have seen with my own eyes the utter decline with my own eyes.

Meant to add that of course, some of them were 'middle class' whatever that means.......the majority won't be.