Kick em out of council housing

[Ryoko]

I'm sorry but has this country completely given over to morons?.

So the out of touch idiot MPs want to kick the families of those involved out of Council housing, where is the justice?, am I the only one that remembers why the symbols of justice are a blindfold and set of scales?.

All those involved must be treated equally regardless of background, take the council homes away from the poor if you must, but also kick the rich from their homes for the actions of their stupid student spawn, kick the workers out of their rented flats for the stupidity that will cost them their jobs.

Change the record, the MPs have had it in for the poor for years endlessly blaming them for everything while turning a blind eye to white collar crime and tax avoidance, endlessly trying to create a self-fulfilling prophecy. with more and more news coming out the cases that are in court, the kids under 12, the Olympic ambassador, the upper class student, the 30 something teaching assistant etc it's clear to everyone this is not about unemployed teens in council estates, yet the MPs refuse to open their eyes and stop stamping on the poor.

DrNortherner

I'm fucking offended by your post

no wonder people bloody riot

DrNortherner.......did your mum and gran have inspections of property? my mil did,they were inspected yearly and HAD to keep property standards up,or they would be in breach of tenancy. they should bring that back!!

I've had lots of involvement with SS and YOT around troubled teens and yes they are totally stretched and it doesn't always work but it does sometimes do wonders.

The issue with evictions is that you are likely to force people to seek support from their local gangs. It's not going to just magically make the issue disappear.

As for 14 year olds knowing the consequences of their actions, I think that's a overestimation of many 14 year olds and a particularly gross one if the 14 year old has been severely socially disadvantaged. Teenage brains are different to adult brains. They tend to act now, think later. They are very susceptible in mob situations and peer pressure, particularly if they come from chaotic homes . Many involved in youth crime have rubbish literacy and communication skills. All of these things make youths susceptible to gang involvement with disastrous consequences not only for them, but society in general.

I am all for this "personal responsibility" element when it comes to adults, but there were a lot of very young kids involved in these riots and I don't think they are as criminally responsible as everyone wants them to be in the current situation when people have suffered such trauma.

criminal age of responsibility is ten,so at age 14 they have had 4 years to get their heads around it!

agree that brains are wired differently.

You might evict a few families but it has a detterant effect for those many more remaining. Tenancies is social housing are valuable to people they don't want to lose them.

i have problem neighbours - have done for about six years now. I fucking hate them.

the only difference is they live in a house that's worth about £900k - we've done all we can to try and address the matter. Every now and then the council fines them £500 or so - but given that they earn about £300k a year between them it doesn't make any difference.

Selfish, anti-social people live in all sorts of housing.

My neighbours are never going to be kicked out of their home because they're rich - so seems a bit unfair that council tenants lose theirs just because they don't have the means to own a property.

Failing to see how Dr Notherners post is offensive.

I'll read it again. Nope.

Usualsuspect I am not saying all people on council estates are scum and that they all act in this way. I am saying that I bet the majority of them will be as it's clear if you take a look around the majority of council estates today that alot of the tenants do not give a flying fuck about their own home, never mind the wider community.

IloveTiff, yes, they did indeed used to do inspections, I remember them happening as a kid. Sadly no more

There's a lot of controversy about the legal age of responsibility and it doesn't reflect developmental literature on how the teenage brain works. I'm not saying they should all "get off" but many of these kids are absolutely clueless. Upwards of 70% of young offenders have speech, langauge and communication difficulties or learning difficulties so it's arguable that they're not as capable as a typically developing 14 year old. This is a figure that has been replicated across a number of different research studies. We want them to be adult, but in no other sphere do we suggest that children are responsible at 10 or at 14. We don't allow them to vote but they are responsible for their criminal actions? The law is set that way because it's what the public want, not because it reflects any realities about teenaged development.

"Usualsuspect I am not saying all people on council estates are scum and that they all act in this way"

that's very fair of you Dr.

Pan, now you are just being silly. Usualsuspect was offended, I was trying to explain myself a little more clearly.

Am I wrong to say that there are people in council houses in this country who do not give a shit about their house/home, their garden and their neighbours? Or are they all picket fences, lawned gardens and vegetable patches?

And whilst I a aware that homeowners can be antisocial I am talking about social housing as it is those people who are being threatened with eviction. We cam't evict homeowners.

Picket fences, lawned gardens and vegetable patches are, of course, the barometer of social decency and morality to watch out for.

Best thing is to make anyone involved do 10 hours a day of community service. 10 hours a day for at least a year or more depending on their crimes. They can recieve wages which amount to the same as those on benefits. NOthing more.

Of course they are not. But it's a start. Alot of social housing is in disrepair, HA's/councils should take some responsibility fro this granted, but so must the tennants.

How can we expect them to be upstanding members of community when they don't care that their house is falling to shit and their community areas are used as dumping grounds and their recreational areas/parks/bus shelters are vandalised ?

As long as we keep making excuses for these people we will never move forward.

Ghoul, why would they receive wages???

Ah, there it is, the choice phrase of this week - "these people".

"these people" as in those who break the law perhaps???

k99 they have to eat don't they? Keep them on a curfew but out of prison...make them useful within society. The people who would e in charge of managing them would get jobs....the criminals would be able to improve public spaces etc.

Anyone within a council-housed family who does something wrong should be dealt with individually and with the necessary severity.

Anyone in a council-housed family who doesn't do anything wrong but who has a family member who does should be left alone.

3 tiimes in the past few years I've had letters sent to me off my housing association telling me my garden is messy and overgrown. The fact that I work full time and the weather has meant I've been unable to do it doesn't wash with them, because its in my tenancy agreement to keep it tidy. In fact some of the nicest homes are of single mothers who are trying their best to provide for their kids.

All sorts of people live on council estates and even if the majority are on some sort of benefit, it is certainly the minority who are anti social.

WISE WORDS

ghoul....they cant put in ten hours a week,most of the convicted so far are in work! assuming they keep their jobs that is!

i still think collecting an extra amount of council tax per rioter is fairest way to recoup some cash

No, K999, it was "these people" who don't take care of their gardens on this thread, but I've seen it used a number of times to justify other lazy stereotyping of lower-income households.