Where will they go?

[WonkyDonkeys]

In this article about the Nottingham riots (specifically about an 11yo girl being charged, but that's a whole other thread), it says:

"The city council has also said it will seek to evict any council tenants found to have taken part in the trouble."

So... they will be out on the street then?!

Not sure this is the right approach...

You are changing the subject mila.

Please try engaging with the points I have made.

Why do you think women and children should be made homeless, and (presumably) younger children separated from their mothers and put into the care system (there will be no abuse in most of these home so children will be removed from loving families) when they have committed no crime?

Reeling I have a big mortgage and it would take years to build up to the salary I earn in another career.I'd also have to pay back the debts I incurred when having no income,my mortgage would go up and we wouldn't be able to afford it so we'd loose our home.

Sardine try and engage in the points I've made.

mila - you are missing entirely the notion of proportionality. Children don't go to prison for a first offence of theft. We don't live in the 1800s any more.

mila you won't answer the question, which is at the heart of this thread.

Why do you think women and children should be made homeless, and (presumably) younger children separated from their mothers and put into the care system (there will be no abuse in most of these home so children will be removed from loving families) when they have committed no crime?

Reeling I have a big mortgage and it would take years to build up to the salary I earn in another career.I'd also have to pay back the debts I incurred when having no income,my mortgage would go up and we wouldn't be able to afford it so we'd loose our home.

so, Mila, when this affects your DCs, is this when you understand what people are trying to say to you here?

You might lose your home and incurr debts if you lost your job, but what would happen to your DCs in all of that? Is it ok that they end up homeless because of your criminal activity?

I have a mortgage too and I fail to understand how my job or housing situation would be affected by my DC doing something illegal

It's life.

So all kids that are homeless are taken into care-really? Not in my experience.In my experience councils do all they can to keep families together(even when there is suspicions of abuse) and although said mother won't have that particular flat as she broke the terms of agreement she'll be offered something else.

A friend of mine lived in a caravan(payed for by the council for a while)with a very young baby.They most certainly didn't put her child into care because she didn't have a council flat and was homeless for a while.

Mass,mass presumption and exaggeration on this thread.

Why do you think the mother will be offered alternative accomodation?

The council involved in this have said that as they are "intentionally homeless" they will not be rehoused by the council. That is the rule.

And if it is the case that they intend to house the women and children, why evict them in the first place and cause all that pain and upheaval for the other children? Why not just evict the person who committed the crime?

YES...you may lose your home because you couldn't pay your mortgage..

BUT...

Not because you had a conviction for anything.

People lose their homes all the time because they can't pay their mortgages

Intentionally homeless = private rental.

Because the law is the law.A contract is a contract.

Not sure how they'd make sure said looter wouldn't return (other than by offering far smaller accommodation) if they just evicted the looter.

The leader of Wandsworth Council has said this:

"Wandsworth council's leader, Ravi Govindia, said that, in signing a tenancy agreement, tenants had agreed not to take part in activities that could jeopardise their housing. The council felt it had the power to terminate the agreement against the tenant, despite the fact that she was not involved in the riots and her son has only been charged, not been convicted.

"The mother can challenge the notice-seeking process," he said. "The tenancy agreement does not just apply to the mother but the entire household."

He said she would be deemed to have made herself deliberately homeless. "Then our obligation would be at an end. She signed the contract in which she and her household would agree the terms of the contract.""

So they have no obligation to house the adult members of the family, I assume they will have to house any children.

you are deliberately missing the point, aren't you, Mila? for a bit of a rise?

councils don't get involved in allegations of abuse, Social Services do. then if, a court finds reason to exclude a family member from a situation, that will happen.
but this is not the issue here!

your friend didn't have a council flat - had she been evicted from her home because of anti-social behaviour? i think not.

mass, mass side stepping in your posts.

Mila is a CM/ teacher

OMG I worry.....

Mila.... You said you had 3 kids, presume the eldest child was male. You all live together peacefully with no issues except your DS who can be rowdy and hard to control. Your other DCs are well behaved and you and Dp work hard to support everyone. You do however still live in council property... Just managing to make ends meet.

Que the riots

Next day your DS is arrested. You are mortified. He is jailed and punished. THEN you find that the council are moving to evict you! You DP and 2 innocent Dc. One of whom is only 8.

You or them have committed no crime at all and are horrified. You then find you can't be rehomed due to DS having stolen 1 item....

You then find your younger DC who are innocent may have to go into care.

It's all too much!!!!! You can't punish an entire family because of 1 little shit

Also lets not forget these councils have an awful lot of new homeless families now and will need the accommodation.So said looter gets to sleep in his own bed whilst the new homeless due to arson get the B&B-not fair imvho.

In going to look for my tenancy agreement, see what else I signed to agree to!

You are still missing the point mila that this will result in innocent people being evicted and deemed intentionally homeless.

When you think about this you really just see a bad man and the other people in the picture don't seem to register with you at all.

I'm sorry said little shit would be kept in,it's called parenting and many mothers managed it. I saw one mother on breakfast news describing just this,how her son's mobile kept pinging through the night but she forbade him to leave the house.

Fed up with the poor parenting excuses.

And if the "little shit" was your husband, mila, how would you keep him in? Why would you "keep hi in" if he'd never been in any trouble before?

What if the little shut wasn't so bad? Talked back a bit, a bit cheeky etc. You had no real concerns? You can't keep an 18 year old in or restrain them, hit them etc anyway. What if he was with a friend and you only found out he was involved the next day when he was arrested!

You'd be shocked and devastated enough without then losin your family home and Gavin your younger DCs taken away from you despite everyone else being fully respectful of the law.

I'm starting to think Wandsworth council are playing a shrewd game. The threat of eviction on this occasion will have made a heck of lot of tenants, sit up & take notice. Even if it doesn't go ahead, the fact that it could have done will remain with people and maybe that have an effect on how tolerant they are in future.

Cogito I don't think that young people are always fully aware of this type of issue / all that interested. Teens are not well known for the foresight.