Where will they go?

[WonkyDonkeys]

In this article about the Nottingham riots (specifically about an 11yo girl being charged, but that's a whole other thread), it says:

"The city council has also said it will seek to evict any council tenants found to have taken part in the trouble."

So... they will be out on the street then?!

Not sure this is the right approach...

Sardine - Has anyone seen it confirmed that these people will be offered alternative accomodation? I assumed that they wouldn't.

The guy from Wandsworth council said on the radio this morning that the mother would have made herself 'intentionally homeless' () and so they wouldn't be responsible for rehousing her. I don't know what happens to the DC in cases of intentional homelessness - are they taken into care? Where does this mess end?

MilaMae - I think it's outrageous that those living in their nice quiet neighbourhoods think "poor little rioters,the wider community should just put up with them" you wouldn't want them if it was your community.

My neighbourhood was very badly hit by the riots and I am deeply ashamed that my council (Greenwich) was the first to announce this eviction policy. Of course I would prefer it if all my neighbours (and some of them almost definitely are my neighbours) were peaceful and law abiding but I would most definitely not prefer the families of these people to me made homeless. It's going to cause a massive strain on the care system and homelessness charities who are going to have to deal with the fallout of this (not to mention the strain on the prison system from the disproportionate sentencing). It's going to break up families and will, I fear, perpetuate social unrest.

And yes, it disproportionately affects women (mothers).

not presumptious, and these are not my figures. They're the BBC figures on the rioters so far

Exactly Edith.

Anyway it's a pointless debate.They broke a contract end of.

My friend has a nightmare council tenant neighbour making her life a misery. She is keeping camera footage in order to prove her behaviour and the breaking of her contract. Said friend will then go to the council to get her evicted.

It's the same only far easier as the rioters have all been filmed in glorious technicolour.

and again, I'm not clearing female rioters of wrong-doing. You're misquoting me left right and centre mila!!!!

"Sardine not every landlord is the same as you.Many will live in the same community and read the local papers."

Don't be silly. Most of the rioting was in London, or other large cities. As far as I am aware, there was very little or no rioting in small hamlets where everybody knows what everybody else is up to.

When I say that landlords do not check criminal records that is a fact as they do not have the right to check them. So in that respect all other landlords are exactly the same as me.

Local papers? I don't get them. Many landlords don't live locally to the properties they rent out. You're talking quite a lot of rubbish, sorry.

Who cares. they breached a contract. need to sort it out for themselves. but oh yes the tax payer will no doubt have to come to their aid!

mila actually just seen your last post and your misrepresentation and misquoting of sakura is getting tiresome. Sakura said that figures show 5% of rioters were female. How on earth does that amount to "clearing women rioters of all wrongdoing".

Plenty
I think the guy from Wandsworth council probably means it's the mothers' fault because she raised her son wrong

Fathers get off scott free in all of this, of course.

Let's pretend this has nothing to do with social issues and masculinity, and yes, even the media (did you read all these messages about "the Feds are coming this way)

Let's pull out the same old tattered card the old fraud Freud did. The same one that patriarchies have been using for millenia.

Let's blame the mother

Yes, let's blame mothers.

And then throw innocent women out of their homes

And tell them they deserved it.

"Sardine - Has anyone seen it confirmed that these people will be offered alternative accomodation? I assumed that they wouldn't.

The guy from Wandsworth council said on the radio this morning that the mother would have made herself 'intentionally homeless' () and so they wouldn't be responsible for rehousing her. I don't know what happens to the DC in cases of intentional homelessness - are they taken into care? Where does this mess end? "

Thank you plentyofpubgardens I thought that would be the case.

How anyone can be gleeful about people being forced to live on the street because they are related to a person involved in this is beyond me.

I don't know if they will accomodate the other children. I assume they will? I have certainly heard of whole families living in parks and things though.

I guess they would remove the other children and place them in care. Maybe split them up, babies might be put up for adoption fairly quickly.

How anyone can think this is a right result is beyond me.

Sakura given the arrests will take months maybe even years I think it is presumptuous.

Given the rioting could kick off again at any given time this is a bloody good deterrent and will make parents actually parent instead of letting their kids out to do the same next week or the week after.

It's a shame some parents only get their act into gear when the results of their kids behaviour effects their own little world but there you go. Finally these parents get to experience first hand the unpleasantness that their lazy parenting brings.

Edith - to not evict on this issue does not remove the right to evict in other circs. for other offences. To apply the 'good behaviour' part of the contract here is a twist on the nature of the contract. This is definitely an Olt Testament revenge-justice that is just dim and will create many other problems.

Only the parents of the council house tenants though

Mila
I'm just quoting figures, and judging by the endless, literally countless amounts of youtube vids depicting male-only rioting, without a female in sight, I'D say it's about par.

Sardine maybe you'll notice their pictures on the huge billboards being erected in shopping malls ,on the road etc.As a landlord I'd be checking the local papers/internet just incase. You don't speak for every landlord.

"Babies put up for adoption fairly quickly" pml. Adopting babies is almost unheard of.

mila so if a man has been involved in this, and he has a wife and children at home, they should all be thrown out?

I saw a stat the other day that 16% of people arrested are under 18. That will mean that a lot of people involved in this are adults.

How does a woman stop her husband going out? She may well not know what he's up to, then she is out of her home and her children taken away.

Why do you think that is fair?

mila you really don't have a clue.

I don't read the local papers as we don't get them.
I have not noticed "giant billboards" being erected anywhere around here. They may be erected in the town centre a few miles away where there was rioting but that isn't somewhere I like to shop and I'm not going there just to look at a billboard on the offchance my tenant is on it

You think I should be buying the local papers for all teh boroughs in london, and scouring them, and driving around to look at billboards? Don't be silly.

Honestly you're living in cloud cuckoo land, you simply don't have the first idea what you're talking about.

Hopefully...this first family will have a decent barrister at Civil Court, AND hopefully the judge will apply 'proportanility', reasonableness and common sense and not be swayed by a baying mob,and come to a decision which will set case precedence.

"Adopting babies is almost unheard of."

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Can you support that please. As I understand it the vast majority of childrn adopted are babies as that's what couples want, rather than older children.

and I hope the judge applies proportionality was well.

Sardine, I've heard of cases, (not recently to be fair), where babies were removed from a home on the grounds that it was abusive, but the older children were left behind

This is such a load of nonsense.

I live in rented accommodation,as long as my rent is paid my LL won't throw me or mine out.
And even then he would have to go through the courts,get an eviction notice etc.and i doubt the court would oblige if i was an ok tenant who paid her rent.

Why would he...he just wants his rent paid on time.

Why should people in social housing/council housing be punished more than someone who has a mortgage?

How is that fair.

I might not like what they did and i might not like who they are and they might be nasty horrid people.
But that still doesn't make a fair society when someone gets punished twice (and their family) for a crime just because they don't own property.

It's life. We all have to live in the real world,nobody should be treated differently.

I work with children,I'm police checked OFSTED would be contacted.My dp works with financial data. We'd both loose our jobs and therefor our home.So that's ok because we pay taxes,a mortgage and don't get subsidised rent or benefits?

If you can't do the time don't do the crime.

pan until we know the exact nature of the offence, and where it was committed in relation to his home, it is impossible to say precisely how it fits the criteria. He is charged with violent disturbance and burglary. These could well fit the criteria of local anti-social or criminal behaviour.

Wandsworth has (so far) begun only one eviction - we cannot conclude it is abusing powers (and I agree it would be an abuse if applied indiscriminately or capriciously). Nor, given that one of the main centres of riots was CJ, that Wandsworth has had plenty of other convicted criminals against whom it is taking no such action.

excellent post reelingintheyears

If people are being evicted (and the papers tell us they are) then It. Is. Illegal.