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Enfield riots?

916 replies

Empusa · 07/08/2011 18:21

Just seen on Twitter and in a few articles like this, that there are meant to be plans for a riot in Enfield tonight and riot police are in the town centre?

Used to live there, and got family there (luckily a fair distance from the centre), but fucking hell! What the hell is going on?

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Kez100 · 09/08/2011 14:53

In part, the respect has also been diminished by those who should know better. Mp's and expenses scandel, Police and innocent beatings at protests plus selling information to the NOW, Bankers who seem to have 'got off scot' free, Media hacking phones. This can only have added to their misguided sense of entitlement and the only way such people can do the same is with gang violence and robbery.

To be honest a lot of people have lost my respect, including the previous Government and some of our current Government. I don't think these things have helped matters.

OpinionatedPlusSprogs · 09/08/2011 14:56

These kids are the product of a selfish society where people of all classes are out for themselves and themselves only.

CoolCalmandCollected · 09/08/2011 15:02

funny how the Waterstones in Clapham Junction was one of the stores left untouched!

LDNmummy · 09/08/2011 15:03

'Firesetting in your own community is something different though. It is animalistic, it is the breakdown of all moral order and social conscience, and it is reflective of deep, deep rage and a sense of being disconnected from your environment and its social and political structures.'

Put in much better words than I could articulate.

teejwood · 09/08/2011 15:04

kamarastar this rioting is having an impact on existing youth services too, though - eg kids company in peckham is having to close early today because it's not safe for them to stay open.

kamarastar · 09/08/2011 15:05

well yes. of course it is.

BenHer · 09/08/2011 15:06

Our Politicians look hopelessly out of their depth on this issue.Threatening people with the "Full force of the law" is pointless when everyone knows our law carrys very little force at all.

kamarastar · 09/08/2011 15:06

well yes. of course it is.

mumzy · 09/08/2011 15:07

Adults in the UK are scared to even gently reprimand children and teenagers when they are up to no good for fear of being given a load of verbal abuse/physical violence by said dc or their parents and some have faced prosecution for infringing on said dcs rights. As a result children and teenagers now are not afraid of adults or anyone in authority as they know the worst they will get for antisocial behaviour is a telling off by the police or a custodial sentence. We as a society need to reclaim our right for adults to collectively parent our children. It shocks me how young the children are who are involved in these riots and how little control their parents have over them. These riots are a warning that there is something very wrong in our society and we need to act quickly so it doesn't escalate further.

kamarastar · 09/08/2011 15:08

sorry for unintentional repetition guys - eating whilst posting- just another multi-tasking mother! :)

TandB · 09/08/2011 15:10

Re tonight. The very strong rumours (from police and ahem 'other sources') is that wandsworth and kings road are major targets tonight. There are also concerns about Brixton again, and parts of the west end.

The police around Clapham are advising businesses to close early.

teejwood · 09/08/2011 15:13

kungfu peckham already mostly closed. gangs started gathering from lunchtime.
lewisham council allegedly advised lewisham and catford would be hit again tonight.
imho more people are seeing that others are getting away with it so they are joining in Sad

TandB · 09/08/2011 15:17

Kids are openly talking about what they are going to do later. It's insane.

fanjoforthemammaries7850 · 09/08/2011 15:27

my heart is bleeding for the poor disenchanted kids and their animalistic rage at being disconnected from society Hmm

I am shocked that on this thread people are being criticised and flamed for rightfully objecting to disgusting behaviour

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Empusa · 09/08/2011 15:30

What fanjo says.

I refuse to feel any sympathy for these idiots' "hard life"

My sympathy is reserved entirely for those whose lives they are out there destroying!

The are criminals, and people need to stop excusing their behaviour. No one is forcing them to pick up brick and throw them. No one is forcing them to steal TV's. No one is forcing them to set fire to other's property.

They are the ones responsible for their own behaviour.

Nothing excuses it.

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BulletWithAName · 09/08/2011 15:31

Mine too Fanjo.

scarlettlips · 09/08/2011 15:33

My god if this was my DD she would be in effing trouble......!!!!!

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14458424

sadly the majority are just bored idiots who think that the world owes them a living and entirely lacking in any respect for where their living comes from...

BulletWithAName · 09/08/2011 15:35

If that was me scarlett my mum would have kicked my arse good and proper, and rightly so!

working9while5 · 09/08/2011 15:36

Sorry Fanjo, but no one has expressed very much sympathy at all and I haven't seen one poster excuse it.

It is really silly to suggest that because some posters suggest there are reasons for behaviour that this somehow equates to justifying or condoning it.

The truth is, these kids are a significant and very real danger to all of us. I don't want my son or my husband to be set upon by gangs of youths, I want to be able to travel to work on public transport, I wanted to be able to head into town today without fear, I don't want to feel my heart and my pace quicken because I see a group of scratty teens even when I am with my husband who is quite a large man.

This doesn't mean that, in a scientific and rational sense, I can see that there are many, many reasons for society's breakdown beyond the individual's culpability.

noddyholder · 09/08/2011 15:37

How stupid do they sound?

fanjoforthemammaries7850 · 09/08/2011 15:41

working9while5 - that is the second time you have called me silly today and I am getting a bit fed up with being patronised by you. Please stop it.

Fifis25StottieCakes · 09/08/2011 15:43

i honestly think it is going to be worse tonight, i feel for anyone stuck in the middle of this it must feel like no one is helping.

Keep safe everyone and if you can get out

EdithWeston · 09/08/2011 15:45

I think it will be important to take a long hard critical look at the society that has shaped the lives of these rioters (say over the last 14-20 years) to identify what failed.

But that's a question for when the immediate crisis is over.

Right now, I have absolutely zero sympathy for those who are perpetrating such scummy crimes. And I want to see the individuals involved held to account for their crimes. For it would not help anything in future if this cohort thought they could evade consequences.

fanjoforthemammaries7850 · 09/08/2011 15:45

I have read posts saying they are shocked at the comments people have made on this thread, as they are not taking into account the awful hard life the rioters have had which makes them feel like they have no hope.

That is the sort of post I am referring to. Am at work and don't have time to pore through the thread and write huge long arguments, I'm afraid.

Birdland · 09/08/2011 15:49

fanjo-no one on this thread has been flamed for objecting to the disgusting behaviour have they?. If they have can you point it out as I've missed it.

I think the behaviour we've seen is disgusting and that people should be held to account for it and be punished accordingly.

I also think-like 9while5-that there may be underlying reasons for it beyond simple criminality or 'thuggery'. I just don't think things are as simplistic as that.