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Tottenham rioting

812 replies

sfxmum · 06/08/2011 21:43

has anyone heard? seems to be all over Twitter but not on other media
apparently police cars burning

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cookcleanerchaufferetc · 07/08/2011 15:26

He was a known offender according to multiple media sources ....

Anyhow, law abiding citizens do not carry loaded weapons.

Decent people don't shoot at others.

The guy can't defend himself because he is dead. Tough. I am pleased he died rather than the policeman.

FellatioNelson · 07/08/2011 15:28

No, not to you particularly, SQ, but I've been hearing on the news some self-appointed 'community leader' type person, saying that he led the march on the police station, was promised a meeting with the senior bod there, and when it didn't materialise in what he felt was an acceptable time frame (or it did, but they didn't get the answers they wanted, not quite sure which - it's all a bit woolly at the moment) he said something along the lines of 'well, we won't be responsible for what happens next then, don't say you weren't warned.' That's not verbatim, but the general gist is there. I can't find it on the net though.

But this is there:

**But community leaders had warned of tensions following Duggan's death. Nims Obunge, a street pastor who was with the Duggan family at the police station protest, said the family and the community needed answers.

"I was here [at the police station] for five hours before this incident kicked off. Someone died on Thursday, a man was shot in our community and the community cried out for justice," he said.

The IPCC, which took over the investigation after the shooting, said it had been in contact with the family. Scotland Yard sources said they were not allowed to communicate with the family because the inquiry was being handled by the IPCC.**

I think the police clearly said as much as they were allowed to, under the circumstances. It may not have been what the family wanted to here - but what would be?

The community is 'crying out for justice'. So the assumption iin the 'community' is that the police were in the wrong. How many of those people would have bothered to turn out to a peaceful protest march against the shooting of a police officer, had that bullet (allegedly fired by duggan) not lodge in a police radio?

cookcleanerchaufferetc · 07/08/2011 15:28

The police cAnt offer support to the family as there will be an investigation. However, they will have been assigned someone I assume from victim support or somewhere.

Hopefully the police will off support to the policeman who almost got killed plus the police who got hurt in the riots.

LucreziaDomina · 07/08/2011 15:29

edam, erm, he was carrying a loaded gun?
At a guess that puts him firmly in the non law abiding category.

cookcleanerchaufferetc · 07/08/2011 15:31

Justice has been done. The criminal is dead.

What about the innocent police officer? What about all the innocent people who have had their homes and businesses burnt down? What about all the kids who must have been scared (except those out looting)? The riots have caused more trouble and hurt even more people.

LucreziaDomina · 07/08/2011 15:32

Jesus, it's a fucked up world where people are demanding justice for a dead gun toting thug.

Earlybird · 07/08/2011 15:33

To those who keep saying the police failed to offer support to the family (and should have done so): exactly what sort of support should the police have offered? What specifically, should the police have done, in your opinions?

LucreziaDomina · 07/08/2011 15:33

Personally, I would have got water cannons and rubber bullets on the rest of the thugs involved, too.

LucreziaDomina · 07/08/2011 15:34

Earlybird, the police should have popped round with cups of tea and biscuits and apologised to the family of the man who tried to shoot them. Obviously Hmm

adamschic · 07/08/2011 15:35

I wonder if the country should now brace itself for copycat rioting throughout our other big cities similar to the riots in the 80's under the last Tory government.

LucreziaDomina · 07/08/2011 15:37

I dunno adamschic, I suppose there is a limitless supply of scumthugs, so possibly....Hmm

cookcleanerchaufferetc · 07/08/2011 15:38

Can we add tear gas to the wish list too?!!

crazynanna · 07/08/2011 15:41

Some kind of acknowledgement by visiting and saying 'we regret we shot your son,blah blah' and 'we are investigating,here is a Victim Support worker' would have been seen as some kind of support for the family...I doubt his mum is a gun toting gangster...just a grieving mother.
Turns out they only got contact with the police in this way post demo/riots.

cookcleanerchaufferetc · 07/08/2011 15:44

"we regret we shot your son ....." seriously? Are you for real?

Earlybird · 07/08/2011 15:44

I can't, for the life of me, think why anyone would want to be a policeman in this country.

LucreziaDomina · 07/08/2011 15:45

Oh yes, forgot teargas cookcleaner. Good plan.

maypole1 · 07/08/2011 15:47

LucreziaDomina I know iys the same sort of thing for moat and the facebok fan club thing

To be honest know wonder things are so fucked up in their area with that type of wonky logic

SardineQueen · 07/08/2011 15:48

Good grief.

"Earlybird, the police should have popped round with cups of tea and biscuits and apologised to the family of the man who tried to shoot them. "

Yes they bloody well should have. Someone representing the police should have been round there with his family and children as they tried to come to terms with the fact that their relative/father had been shot dead by police.

I can't believe that there are people who can't see this.

Remember what the police said about Jean Charles Menezes? And about Ian Tomlinson? Remember Stephen Lawrence? Now I don't think that anyone on this thread has the inside info with what want on with this man - there are contradictory posts all over the place. But I find it interesting that people are so quick to decide what happened, even though the facts are not known yet, and the evidence that the police do not always behave impeccably.

cookcleanerchaufferetc · 07/08/2011 15:49

Hey lucrezia, perhaps we should write to David Cameron and suggest we head up a new procurement department!

edam · 07/08/2011 15:50

Cookie, I don't know if you've missed the abolition of the death penalty, but it happened several decades ago. We don't have the death penalty for murder, let alone for carrying a firearm. And even when we did, it wasn't carried out by police officers. Your idea of 'justice' is extremely inaccurate.

And we don't yet know whether the man who was killed was indeed carrying an illegal weapon - we know a weapon was found at the scene, that's all. Could have been his, could have been someone else's. Lessons from previous case show you can't always believe the first reports. Let's wait and see when the facts are established.

FellatioNelson · 07/08/2011 15:51

Well had the police shot a completely innocent man in a case of mistaken identity rather than a man who was carrying a loaded gun, and it would seem, firing it at them, then yes, they absolutely should have met with his mother/partner and grovelled, explained and apologised.

But given that it doesn't seem to be disputed that he was carrying a loaded gun, and it would appear, for now at least, that he did fire it at them, then I'm not sure the police need to be supporting anyone. Victim support is for the victims of crime. The police are not a charity service, or bereavement counsellors. Surely there are other people in the 'community' only too happy to rally round and do that? I agree the family will be devastated and need support to come to terms with what has happened, but that's not really the police's job, is it?

FellatioNelson · 07/08/2011 15:52

Sorry edam, crossed posts, but yes you are right. EVERYONE should wait and not jump to conclusions before demanding 'justice'.

LucreziaDomina · 07/08/2011 15:52

SQ, perhaps his children and parents need to come to terms with the fact that their dead father and son was an armed criminal who shot at a police officer?

Just a thought.

maypole1 · 07/08/2011 15:53

No we were quite clear that those men were killed unjustly and had nothing to do with guns or gangs this guy not so sure.

I very much doubut the police would of un armed man just for for he had a gun the bullet was lodged into the police mans radio

And if you are right and were not sure went on then the family are still awful because it means your rioting before you know if he is innocent

To be fair I am sure the family are quite aware the cut of this mans jibb his family member stated he was involed with stuff

cookcleanerchaufferetc · 07/08/2011 15:54

He shot a cop! Not a nice person! Certainly not something for his kids to be proud of.

Sorry but if people who carry guns like this get killed then I don't care. No loss to society.

If you have friends Edam who carry guns, then get new friends.