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Les Tricoteuses - Part Deux

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BornSicky · 19/07/2011 15:56

new thread to discuss phonehacking scandal.

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BornSicky · 22/07/2011 13:41

without wishing to sound disrespectful...who needs a car wreck, when a drugs/alcohol overdose might be more credible.

I've been wearing my tin foil hat for weeks now and it would seem so have everyone at the guardian. this tin foil hat turns out to be superconductive and accurate to ten paces of any documentation from NI.

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BornSicky · 22/07/2011 13:46

on Mensch, I'm interested to know now who gives a stuff about sleazy revelations unless they impact on someone's ability to do their job. not that i ever was interested, but intrigued to know how many people will now equate whatever crap gossip the tabloids come up with as the chip wrapping it actually is?

if the tabloid response is to discredit, i think/hope they will get short shrift from the public, who may just see this as cynical deflection and character assassination. whatever it is they got on her, i hope she sues their arses off for infringing her privacy.

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Terribletriplets · 22/07/2011 14:25

I apologise for being a santimious prick. I am watching New24 to hear about the RM thing. And bfing. Sorry All.

OhYouBadBadKitten · 22/07/2011 14:35

I guess I lose the bet about Cameron resigning today.
oh well.

ThisIsANiceCage · 22/07/2011 14:43

Good Lord, triplets, don't apologise. I was just about to say Thank You for raising, will be donating from this household as usual.

NB make sure it's a taxpayer in whose name the donation is made, as then the Disaster Emergency Committee or whoever can get Gift Aid tax rebate.

claig · 22/07/2011 14:52

I felt that Louise Mensch's questioning was quite helpful to the Murdochs in spreading the blame to other papers. I didn't realise that what she had said about Piers Morgan was untrue.

claig · 22/07/2011 15:15

Has anyone discussed whether we are seeing a monumental battle of left vs right, Democrat vs Republican, Labour vs Conservative, Soros vs Murdoch?

www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/soros-vs-murdoch-the-battle-for-the-soul-of-america-2163632.html

claig · 22/07/2011 15:19

Are we witnessing the backlash of the progressives?

ThisIsANiceCage · 22/07/2011 15:20

Right, have managed to get speak to one of my techie friends.

He confirms that phone companies are a huge spaghetti of different computer systems, each accessed by different sets of people. And different for each company.

? Call centre bods can access subscriber data, match names to phone nos and see billing databases (which effectively means all outgoing calls you paid for). In the old days, in some companies they could even see your voicemail PIN - most companies have now changed this after, ahem, incidents.

? Then there are network systems, which connect your calls and pass along texts. These work in real time and don't usually generate records. These are maintained by network engineers, who can tap into the live system and find out where a given phone is (pinging), and actually sit there reading the texts passing through system. Shock So it's a much smaller group of people than call centre staff, but they have enormous capabilities. There's a story that some time back a engineer was caught installing software to take a copy of every text sent by some sleb's phone.

? Then there's the stuff that's kept under RIPA, so the police can do investigations. The police need signatures of senior officers to do this, and the phone companies have tiny teams of cleared staff to access the databases, and the access is fully audited. This includes all of the material call centre bods can see plus incoming call traffic data (who called you, not just who you called) and other bits and pieces.

If there's corruption, I'm guessing it's in the first two sections - call centres and network engineers. Why bother forging complicated paperwork or corrupting better-paid, highly accountable staff when you can get so much from the minimum wage cannon fodder?

ThisIsANiceCage · 22/07/2011 15:22

managed to get speak to

claig · 22/07/2011 15:24

Gordon Brown (whose children played with Murdoch's children) rushed to stick the boot in, the Guardian is rding high, the BBC is probably happy, Murdoch's being taken down. Who knows how far it will spread and who will be next?

Ponders · 22/07/2011 15:24

Mensch blatantly made a mistake about the Piers Morgan book; she should have the grace to admit it & apologise instead of hiding behind Parliamentary privilege.

"I feel no need to apologise, I refer you to what I said in the select committee" makes her look stubborn & childish as well as just plain wrong

claig · 22/07/2011 15:32

Yes she should apologise, she has effectively spread the blame to lessen Murdoch's blame.

limitedperiodonly · 22/07/2011 15:39

I wasn't impressed by Mensch either. Asking Rupert Murdoch whether he was going to resign? What was that supposed to elicit?

Asking them a question on standards which handed them an opportunity to grandstand about their commitment to raising standards?

She did quite a good Edvard Munch The Scream impersonation when Murdoch got flanned though. On balance it doesn't really make up for being a lightweight.

Ponders · 22/07/2011 15:42

\link{http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mensch\her name is quite ironic really}

"The key to being 'a real mensch' is nothing less than character, rectitude, dignity, a sense of what is right, responsible, decorous"

claig · 22/07/2011 15:48

Agree with limitedperiodonly. Right wing Mensch did a great Munch "scream" as the left wing nut pied the right wing Murdoch. The pieman was theatre and there has been grandstanding too.

It's good vs bad, left vs right, Marbles vs Murdoch, progressives vs conservatives, and there's Wendi's right hook to the left wing nut. But it's not over, the final bell hasn't rung. The progressives have taken the early rounds, Murdoch's down but not out.

Max Clifford said on NN last night, that Murdoch is a clever man and he won't take this lying down. If he somehow manages to survive, then the progressives may be in for a tough time, as we start to find out possible secrets that we have never been told.

claig · 22/07/2011 16:07

I think this is a battle of power, progressives vs Fox. The cowards and jackals who did nothing for so long, have now rushed out of hiding to stick the boot in and try to devour the corpse. But as Thatcher said 'The Mummy Returns'. What will happen if 'The Daddy' returns. What will happen if Murdoch survives?

claig · 22/07/2011 16:15

It may be a battle of the Titans, Soros and Murdoch, carving the world up while we the earthlings, pawns and observers, watch from down below. There are pantomime villains in beige suits and leftwing nuts with pies, it's a real spectacle on which to set your eyes.

ThisIsANiceCage · 22/07/2011 17:36

If anyone cares, they should probably start a new thread.

I'm not going to. Pages and pages of monomaniac self-advertising have turned what was an extremely useful, informative thread into a personal soapbox. It's become quite difficult to find the many great posts and useful links people have gone to such trouble to accumulate on this thread.

So a big Thank You to all the who people have gathered such excellent material. I've loved the mix of sources and points of view, but am now going spend more time reading Guardian live blog.

ThisIsANiceCage · 22/07/2011 17:38

(Btw, not complaining about the haikus - as someone pointed out, their brevity and visual formant made them easy to skip for those not interested.)

ThisIsANiceCage · 22/07/2011 17:39

who people who

LucaBrasi · 22/07/2011 18:00

What's up ThisIsANiceCage? Hope I haven't pissed you off?!!! I have enjoyed these threads and being newish to MN, I'm not entirely sure of MN protocol. Don't know if I have, but if I have been off topic, poerty aside (was enjoying it before bedtime really), sorry, and please let me know

Would be a shame to lose a great poster on this important subject!

claig · 22/07/2011 18:05

No, LucaBrasi, ThisIsANiceCage is complaining about me with her "who cares" whether it is a battle between Soros and Murdoch between left and right. I mentioned teh Independent article on Soros and Murdoch as it may explain the big picture of why this is happening and why it is happening now, when no politicians acted to stop it before. But she doesn't care about that.

Terribletriplets · 22/07/2011 18:15

There once was a nice gel called Cage
Who got in a bit of a rage
I did beg her pardon
But she went to the Guardian
This is not minor by maj.

Terribletriplets · 22/07/2011 18:22

BUT maj

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