Les Tricoteuses - Part Deux

[BornSicky]

new thread to discuss phonehacking scandal.

oh lordy lord, can we start a separate thread for the poetry? this is such a good place to keep up with what's going on, but not if it's hijacked... interesting posts were ignored last night because people were falling over themselves to demonstrate their brilliance at haiku.

Noddy, I don't know but is it like perjury? Which is very serious. I know lots of people who get their partners to claim to have been driving, as if it is nothing, and then saw (in some recent case) that they could have gone daaaan for 7 years.

Lord Archer was sentenced to 4 years for perjury and perverting the course of justice (served 2)

Jonathan Aitken was sentenced to 18 months for perjury (served 7)

'What is the punishment for contempt of parliament?'

Depends who you are, Blair or a nobody.

Good stuff Terribletriplets. Very funny, love the "hooter" one.

I like poems because they can succintly throw light on reality in just a few lines. They make the truth as clear as the pie in Murdoch's face.

On misleading parliament, in prose form:

'John Yates, the senior police officer at the centre of the phone-hacking scandal, today faces a new set of allegations that he has misled parliament.

A Guardian investigation has found that all four leading mobile phone companies dispute evidence which Yates has given to a select committee about police efforts to warn public figures whose voicemail were intercepted by the News of the World.

During the original police inquiry in 2006, phone companies identified a total of at least 120 politicians, police officers, members of the royal household and others whose voicemail had been accessed by Glenn Mulcaire, the NoW?s private investigator. Yates last September told the home affairs select committee that police had ?ensured? that the phone companies warned all of their suspected victims. But all four companies have told the Guardian that police made no such move and that most of the victims were never warned by them'

www.nickdavies.net/2011/04/08/phone-companies-accuse-yates-of-misleading-parliament/

Have any of the mobile companies made any further statements?

I know that Tom Alexander, CEO of Orange and T-mobile (EverythingEverywhere) resigned recently.

Charlie Dunstone, CEO of Carphone Warehouse, is (allegedly) part of the 'Chipping Norton Set'.

so do i, claig. on a thread marked 'poems'.

Vie just checked the t wittier row out. It seems that Tom Watson is angry that Robert Peston, the BBC's eminent journalist, is focussing on the arrest of a 'rogue journalist' the NOTW have donned to the police as a damage-limitation exercise, when the real story is the smoking gun of the Neville email.

I'm not sure what the penalty is for lying to a Select Committee. Nobody is under oath, are they?

oh come on Aitch - it isn't an either/or choice. There's space for both. And I am sure it will calm down. We could even play the fiendishly complicated game of haikubingo....gulp.

I'm with Aitch on the poetry I'm afraid, I came to catch up last night and the poetry posts, while I'm sure great fun at the time, made it hard to follow the 'story'.

it's no biggie, pan. just don't see why it can't go elsewhere, that's all, given that it is a complete derailment of the thread.

Agree with AwesomePan. This is a discussion and will take all sorts of informative, amusing and enlightening turns. If it were just about keeping up, then we might as well just provide links to twitter feeds.

how is you lot all having a wank about how great you are at haiku a 'discussion'? if it's a poetry circle, start a thread.

camereon vox pop where he just said that NI "had a mess to clear up."

Again, no they don't. The police, the politicians, the judicial inquiry and the regulators have a mess to clear up. NI is a private business who should just be handing this to the police.

And on the poetry... it was a slow night last night and any updates were posted. the poetry made it fun and topical for me.

There will be all sorts of reasons people post or don't post on here and I'm afraid that applying rules doesn't sit well with me. Sorry, but i think that if it's relevant to phone hacking then there's no problem what form it's conveyed in. To those that want to skip poetry, it's easy to do so, as the format looks decidedly different to the news updates and other discussions.

(just spoken to the mighty dh and asked about lying to a HoC committee. He seems to think that lying to a HoC committe is not akin to perjury)

Which is odd. Is one allowed to lie to a HoC committee?

'how is you lot all having a wank about how great you are at haiku a 'discussion'?'

Because we discuss other things as well. Is it that haiku is not one of your fortes?

who's making rules? it's just standard board etiquette, as i understand it. haiku generally get their own threads after a few shots, because people tend to realise that they are a bit of a hijack that only a very few participate in.

perjury is lying under oath & they weren't under oath.

Morally it's the same but not legally.

I think

WSJ is reporting 'The US justice department is preparing subpoenas as part of preliminary investigations into News Corporation relating to alleged foreign bribery and alleged hacking of 9/11 victims' answerphone messages'

OMG claig are you really advancing the 'you is just jellus' line? lol.

it's quite simple, i just asked this morning if they could move to another thread if

Thanks so much for the Newsnight heads up - I went to bed early and had missed all that. (Just caught up on wonderful iPlayer - about 19:00 mins in if anyone else needs it.)

That's truly significant. The Dowlers' lawyer, Mark Lewis, was also lawyer for Gordon Taylor in 2008 and has become the Go To person for many hackees. NI appear to have had a private investigator doing surveillance, etc, on him, and not apparently for the purpose of writing a newspaper story. He has now notified the police.

the poetry is going to continue. no huge biggie.

that is MASSIVE about the Dowler lawyer, imo, agreed.

I am doubting there is a penalty for lying to a SC of the HoC. If there were, the witnesses would have to be forewarned of the consequences and this did not happen.

If there were a penalty, it could involve going round to Aitches and reading her some very bad haiku.

Another thing I saw this morning (not sure if on here or not, apols if it was) is that apparently Jude Laws phone is suspected of being hacked while he was in the States. If that is the case there will a criminal case to answer over there.

Yes, the Mark Lewis thing and the Jude Law thing and the Neville thing are the leads. I have seen no evidence that the 9/11 people were hacked.