Should David Cameron resign?

[reelingintheyears]

Given that Paul Stephenson and John Yates have done so over their 'misjudgements' when hiring Neil Wallis should DC be accountable for his poor judgement in hiring Andy Coulson?

He can't possibly go now. He's just had the kitchen redone.

The kitchen is still waiting for three pelmets and two kick plates, and the American style fridge and the dishwasher are still waiting to be plumbed in.

Isn't most of the money being spent now borrowed? The country's income is servicing our debts, which is why the Gov had to cut hard otherwise the interest rates we would have to pay for our borrowed funds would be crippling. We can still spend/allocate money. If we couldn't we would be bankrupt with no cash-flow. We borrow to keep the cashflow going and remain just about solvent.

We assign funds in aid and military action to affect world events as we are a global economy and to do otherwise would lead to increased instability and future higher costs to deal with fallout in the future.

Arf at mathanxiety...

'tis okay mathanxiety, he can just rip it out, he doesn't mind taking the soul out of people lives...

As an answer to the original thread - YES, Cameron should now resign. I am sorry but he is way too involved in this quagmire and cannot be in power during a criminal investigation. His own behaviour and frankly the fact he very nearly got away with waving the BSKYB takeover through for what was obviously a deal with a media baron rather than the interest of the public is breathtakingly morally wrong and criminal.

No! this country needs some stability how will it help !!

I think that now we need to know more about the culture of ignorance, which is clearly prevalent at no.10 (as the emails show), as it is at News International. How many times yesterday did the Murdochs or Brooks say 'not as far as I'm aware' or words to that effect. And how often has DC said that in the past, about other subjects? Being Aware is his job - probably his most important job.

How much does our Government spend on advisers to keep information from them? Our Prime Minister would rather not know, would rather turn a blind eye, than deal with issues that are his responsibility. But look at NI - if you turn a blind eye then you allow corruption to seep in at every level. In fact, you encourage it.

Stability at what cost, what else would Cameron have given the media baron Murdoch. Blackmailers do not keep asking for more you know. Let me guess annihilation of the BBC followed by all control over british internet servers. Indeed he has apparently moved into education in the states....maybe healthcare next (with a few political cronies on the board).Watch for it if he gets away with it this time....it's inevitable.

He wasn't ignorant, Cameron did this wilful blindness thing too. He was effectively being blackmailed and couldn't stand up to the blackmailer.Now is his chance and honestly I still don't think the tories are taking it. Frankly they are mad - do they really want murdochs power to grow even more?They should think of their kids and grandchildren. (he won't have jobs for them all)

Yes, that's what I meant - that Cameron and the Murdochs were wilfully ignorant. That Cameron has created a culture (or perhaps it was handed on to him) where he is not told facts in order to protect himself.

I think, bkgirl, that you feel Cameron is a victim? But I want to know what else besides this story Cameron is wilfully ignorant about. I don't believe it stops here.

Laugs, initially I did feel sorry for politicians because many have admitted the kind of unacceptable pressure they were under from Murdoch. Now I am annoyed...they all need to grow B*s.Yep you are right, it was a wilful ignorance they indulged in. Brown did too, no doubt he smoozed with the rest of him. However did he give anything to Murdoch for it? (He might have, I don't know)

I didn't know that Murdoch was moving into education. Good news. He will provide competition and innovation. He will provide services that will help students across the world. Nothing wrong with competition and business expansion.

I think Brown has said recently that Murdoch pretty much destroyed his reputation because he wanted more power over the broadcast media than Brown could/ was prepared to give (although I can't find a link to that anywhere). He reckoned he'd still be PM if it weren't for NI. No doubt they were in cahoots before that though. Rupert Murdoch said yesterday that he and Brown had been friends and their kids used to play together.

Nonetheless, if David Cameron made a Faustian pact with the devil to get elected, then that is still his own fault. Nobody made him do it.

As for his role as PM, he wants all the power but none of the responsibility.

There are plenty of victims - thousands of people whose phones were hacked; the 200 NOTW journalists who lost their jobs - but DC is not one of them.

Claig, is your surname Murdoch mate?
*said with an aussie twang

'He reckoned he'd still be PM if it weren't for NI'

Yes, but he also reckoned that he had put an end to boom and bust, and that he had "saved the world" after the banking crisis, and that there were only "50 days left to save the planet". The country didn't believe him.

No, my surname is Truth

I don't understand any of this. It seems no one really did anything, rather who knew of the corruption....

Was anyone surprised that Rupert Murdoch, supposedly a very powerful man, came across as actually quite meek and timid .

Absolutely Not!

Labour aren't getting back in anytime soon, regardless of whether Cameron resigns.

Come on. Everyone made Faustian pacts. Both Labour and Tories were up to their necks in it. Fear-induced toadying. Individual MPs have admitted to being scared of opposing the Murdoch press for fear of having their personal lives destroyed.

Don't think what Cameron has done is worse than starting Iraq war or destabilising the economy. He sacked Coulson remember.

I don't think Brown needed anyone to destroy his reputation for him - he did a good enough job of that himself.

The only party that has come out of this reasonably well is the Lib Dems.

Cameron is good for a lovely slimy gloss..... there's no actual substance behind him. He presents well but often distances himself from his party's actual policies, that's why the far right in his party despise him.

Nobody actually knows what he's about. Rather than actually knowing his subject he gets his researchers to provide a synopsis, look at him frantically consulting his file during Milliband's challenge over the cancer incapacity benefits issue.

Problem is the Tory party really doesn't have any alternative. I really do think he should go, this isn't just a small lapse of judgment, it was catastrophic. The idea of Gideon getting the PM gig though makes my blood run cold.

Whilst we're at it if Milliband is the best Labour can do then oh very dear.

well he clearly isn't, but the party's leader election process clearly isn't either

Right wing tories do not like DC. They would like to replace him with someone more right wing. There is about to be a huge financial crisis when the euro crashes. DC was not in Africa 'spreading the lurve', he was on a trade visit. The only hope for our economy is in exporting to the rest of the world. That was why he went on a big trip to India so early on in his premiership. Anyone who does not understand this is financially illiterate.

When the markets crash, the Chinese, who do not have a national debt; they have a national wealth fund, will buy the big banks and mining and oil companies. That will be more of a problem for the British economy, British jobs and pension funds (including teachers' pension funds, not just private).