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Hoare found dead - not suspicious like David Kelly

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bkgirl · 18/07/2011 18:24

Sean Hoare became the first of his former colleagues to go on the record in denouncing Coulson has allegedly been found dead at home according to Guardian
www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011/jul/18/news-of-the-world-sean-hoare

He was in the process of dumping murdoch in it in the states.

I hope they do a decent job on the forensics.

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Nancy66 · 19/07/2011 12:54

Why?

Hummingbirds · 19/07/2011 12:57

Nancy66,

  1. The Mail article quotes two of his friends as saying he was now 'sober'. Is this not true?
  2. Hoare stressed that he received no payment for his revelations. Is this not true?
Nancy66 · 19/07/2011 12:59

I don't know if he was sober - I would hugely, hugely doubt it - and, even if he was - the damage to his heart and liver was too great to recover from.

I've no idea about the payment.

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bkgirl · 19/07/2011 13:22

Before he could make a statement as a witness (as opposed to what Yates threatened him with - making him a suspect) Yates just gone, a real intent in the past few days to get to the truth? Nancy you seem to think his testimony would not have been impt - other senior ex notw jounos have said it would have been.Sure he had a drink/drugs problem - it doesn't make what he said irrelevant. The police could have pursued his info and backed it up with hard evidence, with him gone it makes it harder.That def suits certain very powerful people and again remember Morgan was murdered with an axe.

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TalkinPeace2 · 19/07/2011 13:27

Nancy says she knew him.
The Daily Mail has many axes to grind.
I'd rather trust the word of an anonymous poster!
That and he's already taped hours and hours of evidence with Panorama and other investigating officers.
I'll bet Anne Ackers (who is keeping a remarkably low profile) was having him watched and checked up on but needed no more from him.

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bkgirl · 19/07/2011 13:29

It has been reported that ex notw people also made serious threats against him in recent days. Police started off sounding flippant...lets hope they take the threats seriously and conduct a professional unbiased investigation.

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bkgirl · 19/07/2011 13:37

Matthew Wright on the Wright Stuff (channel 5 this morning) knew him, he was certainly upset at his death and certainly thought it was suspicious - an was prepared to on the record. I think you will be able to see it on Demand 5. Hoares problems were no secret in the industry. I would love to think he was interviewed as a witness before he died....was he or as a suspect. This is completely different.

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Nancy66 · 19/07/2011 13:48

Sean wasn't saying anything McMullan hasn't been saying for years

Has it been reported that ex NOTW people made threats against Sean? He was liked, he was a popular bloke - I don't think anybody who worked with him would threaten him.

claig · 19/07/2011 13:49

Nicola Blackwood is very good

TalkinPeace2 · 19/07/2011 13:51

We have enough REAL conspiracies.
Lets not get distracted
Sean was ill
Sean was interviewed by Panorama. They showed 10 minutes - that means they had at least two hours of tape.
Anne Ackers is not a fool. If she wanted to talk to him she would have done.
Let the poor sod rest in peace
And I hope that the toilet cisterns are well dusted for his wake.

kamarastar · 19/07/2011 14:12

hmmmm. Yes, lets not get carried away ey? By denying what most of us instinctively feel... shocked and perhaps a little bit spooked - given the major major consequences of his actions and the timing of his death- it actually is is rather convenient. It would be naive to deny this and we are all too aware of misinformation and disinformation...

Nancy66 given that you claim to be a 'friend' of Seans why is it that your first instinct is to smear his memory with the fact that he was a drink drug addict. My DH works within the addiction field and we have one or two friends who have died as a result of their addiction, the last thing we would want to do is post such negative comments about our 'friend' or discuss our 'friend' in such a way. Plus, we are also aware that many addicts go on to recover and are not the sum total of their illness even if still using. Given it's been recognised nationally that mumsnetters have been outraged at the behaviour of NOTW and effective in action; it wouldn't surprise me if you are being totally disingenuous Hmm

And for the record, I for one am not into conspiracy theories, I am into truth and have a keen bullshittometer.

claig · 19/07/2011 14:34

'I am into truth and have a keen bullshittometer.'

Me too. That's why I take what Alastair Campbell says with a shovel of salt.

Hummingbirds · 19/07/2011 14:34

Nancy66, you wrote: 'he wasn't on some moral, truth crusade he was just doing/saying whatever it took to get some cash for his next fix.' But then you wrote that you haven't got a clue whether he was whistleblowing for money. You seem muddled.

Nancy66 · 19/07/2011 14:37

Kamarastar - you have no idea what you're saying. My first instinct was not to 'smear his memory' - I have said many times that I was hugely fond of Sean and very saddened by his death. However, his addictions and lifestyle are entirely relevant here and were no secret.

Of course some addicts recover - Sean didn't.

Nancy66 · 19/07/2011 14:41

Hummingbird - I'm not muddled. he had an axe to grind against the news of the world.
I believe Andy C did know about hacking.

rival journalists have been desperately casting around for ex NOTW hacks to speak in recent months - the only ones who will are those, like Sean and McMullan, who will never work again in the industry.

TalkinPeace2 · 19/07/2011 14:42

www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011/jul/18/news-of-the-world-sean-hoare
newsthump.com/2011/07/19/sean-hoares-death-very-very-suspicious-insists-everyone-except-the-police/
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14199171

He smeared his own memory before he died.
he had no regrets on Panorama
he is being proved right

kamarastar · 19/07/2011 14:45

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claig · 19/07/2011 14:45

'he had an axe to grind against the news of the world.'

so have some Labour MPs.

Nancy66 · 19/07/2011 14:49

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kamarastar · 19/07/2011 15:12

game set and match :)

SardineQueen · 19/07/2011 15:44

kamarastar I have to say that speaking to nancy like that (game set match) when she is talking about a friend of hers who has passed away seems really unpleasant.

This may seem like a game to you, or a soap opera, but this is real life with a real actual dead man and you are talking to someone who really actually knew him and is sad that he has passed away. So give it a rest with the picking holes in posts and scoring points, eh. It's not appropriate.

kamarastar · 19/07/2011 16:06

SardineQueen: I'm not scoring points or picking holes. Her posts clearly do not reveal a friendship or compassion to the man who has died. Other posts do so more and they don't claim to have known him. Nancy66 was unnecessarily abusive and aggressive in her last post to me - I could've reported it and chose not but will do now. I admit I responded glibly with my 'game set and match' I apologise -was in a rush... school run, but that is all that my response was do not make it into something it isn't Your attempts to twist and undermine my argument are lame and a bit sad.
kids are now home so have to go. Do have a good evening

SardineQueen · 19/07/2011 16:26

I don't understand on what grounds you are saying that nancy is a liar. The whole thing seems odd. I feel sad about the death of this man and don't see anything in nancy's posts which "clearly do not reveal a friendship or compassion".

Not everyone immediately dons rose coloured glasses about people they know, when they die.

sisterserena · 19/07/2011 17:05

not many don shit-coloured-ones neither Blush sorry couldn't resist!

SardineQueen · 19/07/2011 17:24

If he had these issues then he had these issues. That's a fact, a part of who he was. It's not disrespectful to a person's memory to be honest about them.

The idea that anyone would come onto a thread and lie about knowing this man is bizarre. People should not throw accusations like that around unless they have pretty solid grounds for doing so.