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God, those NoW journos were utter scum weren't they?

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headfairy · 04/07/2011 17:02

apparently by deleting Milly's messages her family still had some hope that she might still be alive

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BornSicky · 04/07/2011 22:34

yes! Paxman just called NOTW odious.

The Dowler family lawyer is on Newsnight.

Poor, poor family.

TalkinPeace2 · 04/07/2011 22:34

I don't have sky because its Murdoch
I would rather not have a paper than read one of his
won't watch the free sky channels
won't watch Fox
have issues with the Simpsons - he owns that too

edam · 04/07/2011 22:45

It would be interesting to see if people were angry enough about this to cancel their Sky subs. Do most people realise the Screws and Sky are both Murdoch?

I'm not defending journalists at all - the people who wrote the stories, the news editors and up through the management chain who knew what was going on - but this is the result of using private investigators instead of (or as well as) journalists. Different methods. Of course anyone with a grain of humanity should have seen how appallingly wrong this was, but it wasn't actually considered illegal to listen to someone else's phone messages at the time - that's only been established quite recently (when the phone hacking story was being closely ring-fenced to the royal reporter, the CPS originally said it was only illegal 'if the person concerned hasn't already listened to the message' which is a weird idea and smells awfully of being terribly helpful to Mr Murdoch.

Also the result of intense competition within and between red-top news rooms, where there is massive pressure to use any tactics, fair or foul, to get the story and to angle the story in a way that suits the agenda of that paper. I know reporters on tabloids who are not, for example, extreme pro-lifers, but file stories that are designed to that agenda because that's what their editor and news editor want.

Btw, some of us journalists are human beings who would never dream of using tactics like this. There are lots of journalists legitimately on MN and have been from the off, who are just normal posters who chat just like anyone else.

swanker · 04/07/2011 23:19

I can't see many MNers boycotting their beloved Times Hmm

I cannot comprehend how anyone can behave like this. Her poor parents, as if they haven't suffered enough.

CogitoErgoSometimes · 05/07/2011 04:54

Have never been a Sky subscriber (polishes halo) and don't buy newspapers of any description. They're stupid, as well as callous. We have more places to access news than ever before and newspaper circulations are falling. If they thought that the ends justified the means and would drive sales, they've achieved the opposite. I don't think it's an exaggeration to say that we may just have seen the death of Fleet Street.

@edam... you may well be a decent person but if you run with dogs you pick up fleas....

NormanTebbit · 05/07/2011 08:24

Many journalists are decent people walking a difficult line. But it's nice for you you that you can polish your halo cogito

Pagwatch · 05/07/2011 08:28

If you run with dogs you pick up fleas.

So I am getting to be more simplistic just sitting here?

NormanTebbit · 05/07/2011 09:13

Someone should go to prison for this. And not some poor hack. A big cheese. That would send out a message to these unscrupulous people. Unfortunately Rebecca Wade is big buddies with 'call me Dave' so I won't hold my breath.

housemum · 05/07/2011 09:19

I would love to boycott Sky (they are money grabbing b'stards anyway) but would be v tough as we can get nothing else except a grainy aerial signal - no Virgin/BT cables here :(

Newspaper competition is intense, but hopefully the fall-out from this might mean that someone finally has the balls to stand up and say that the fight for the "best" bits has to show common sense and humanity. Bribing a bouncer to admit that some celeb was drunk in the VIP suite is one thing, hacking private phones - of anyone - is just wrong. Only possible excuse could be by the police/MI5/Mi6 in the case of genuine concern for public safety - not to sell a bloody newspaper!

isthismadness · 05/07/2011 09:27

What is/are the screws??

isthismadness · 05/07/2011 09:27

Asking as will def boycott. Utterly vile.

MissClavel · 05/07/2011 09:34

The media (with certain exceptions) have carefully ignored this issue to protect their own backs - it's horrible it's taken something this horrific to bring it to the top of the news agenda.
In Hugh Grant's 'bugging the buggers' piece in the Statesman 3 months ago, he refers to the hacking of Milly Dowler's phone, as well as those of the Soham parents. So it seems it's been known about, and not mentioned, for some time.
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slug · 05/07/2011 09:40

Those of you on Twitter can register your protest with the NOW advertisers this way

LadyBeagleEyes · 05/07/2011 10:04

Does anyone know how the Sun and the Times are reporting this story, has it been mentioned at all?

headfairy · 05/07/2011 10:08

I'm hoping this'll be the straw that breaks the camel's back. I'm sure it's gone on for years but been brushed under the carpet. This latest revelation is beyond the pale imo.

We have cable with Virgin media but there are Sky channels on it, I presume Virgin have to pay Sky to access some of their channels so ultimately Murdoch is so deeply ingrained in the media of this country it's hard to avoid them. I do avoid buying news international papers, don't really like any of them, but I do have to read the Times for work really. But I don't pay for it, work do.

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Terribletriplets · 05/07/2011 10:08

Rebekah Brooks is a close neighbour of Dave in his constituency in the Cotswolds. And Elizabeth Murdoch and her husband Matthew Freud are also close neighbours (and also Jeremy Clarkson). This happened on Rebekah's watch and she has been protected by Murdoch. Private Eye said a few weeks ago that she will have to go as exec of News International. And that having a baby (adopted or via pregnancy, I couldn't make out) would be the face-saving way for her to leave. I guess the pitter patter of little Brooks feet will soon be heard. I'd love to boycott NI media but I have done that for years.

Would someone give a list of NotW advertisers for me to inform of my boycott of them?

Rebekah refused to give evidence to the HoC committee on this when it only involved celebrities. Members of the committee were informed that if they subpoenered her into testifying, they would have their own pasts drudged up by the NotW dirtdiggers.

headfairy · 05/07/2011 10:08

LadyB, it's on the front page of my copy of The Times...

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franke · 05/07/2011 10:10

Sun report here. Very non-committal. The Guardian has been the most vociferous in reporting this story, I suppose they would love to see heads roll at the top of NI. Dream on...they're all Teflon-coated.

TigerseyeMum · 05/07/2011 10:10

A relative of mine who is a journalist in Europe no longer deals with any British newspapers after discovering the depths of their corruption for a 'good story'. He was asked by a British newspaper to research a story on political corruption which did not exist. He wrote the real story. The newspaper took his story and rewrote it as lies to provide the story they had originally asked for. It was a tissue of lies with his name on the strapline.

He was so shocked he no longer does business with any British press.

The newspaper in question was the Sunday Times.

Nothing we read can be trusted, sadly. I hope the NOTW gets hauled over the coals,. and I hope the British public wakes up to what has happened to their 'free press'.

HappyDoll · 05/07/2011 10:14

Scum scum scum scum scum.

They are not fit to lick poo off my shoe.

We all need to stop buying these rags and stop making scandal a profit making business.

If it didn't make money, they wouldn't do it.

wannaBe · 05/07/2011 10:28

but the kinds of people that read the NOTW aren't the kind of people that care about where a story comes from.

NormanTebbit · 05/07/2011 10:34

I think it's up to the public. If there's enough anger, Dave' will have to shop his pals and lose support if the Murdoch press.

EightiesChick · 05/07/2011 10:36

Wannabe avoiding the generalisation, even, many of them may not think about sources but will be disgusted at what the Dowlers have gone through. My parents, who buy the NOTW, are in this camp. If enough of these people stopped buying it, at least some pressure would be there to act with decency.

EightiesChick · 05/07/2011 10:37

Thanks for the Twitter link slug - off to make use of it now.

happygilmore · 05/07/2011 10:38

Shocking yet completely believable that this happened.

Dave doesn't really care and will do nothing - he is great chums with Rebekah (who quite clearly knew it was happening) and would do nothing to upset NI. It seems NI have much more power in this country than the government.

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