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God, those NoW journos were utter scum weren't they?

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headfairy · 04/07/2011 17:02

apparently by deleting Milly's messages her family still had some hope that she might still be alive

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flippinada · 05/07/2011 12:59

"There are plenty of other reasons to condemn the rest of the organisation".

Yes, good point Orm.

TheRhubarb · 05/07/2011 12:59

Rebekah has been there all through the scandals and I believe that she is deeply embroiled. The reason why she will not be thrown to the wolves is because she knows way way too much and there is a chance that if she is made scapegoat then she'll blow the whistle on the lot of them.

What did you do TerribleTriplets? For the journo to be so interested I mean.

donnie · 05/07/2011 13:03

Radio 4 right now - Rebekah Brooks has denied all knowledge and vowed to 'get to the bottom of it'.

Who would believe her? why would they believe her?

Terribletriplets · 05/07/2011 13:04

I am no big fan of Hugh Grant but he has done some very good work on this one.

RB is now co-operating with the police. In that case, why did she refuse to give evidence to the HoC committee? And why were members of the committee given a warning that if they subpoened her, their families would be investigated (muckraked) by NotW reporters? Why the conscience and co-operation NOW?

She is up to her armpits in this muck, and so is Dave.

shineynewthings · 05/07/2011 13:09

can someone explain to me how this hacking thing works. I understand they could hear Milly's messages, but how could they also delete them?

It's all thoroughly disgusting.

SunshineAndBlueSkies · 05/07/2011 13:09

Hugh was on PM on radio 4 a couple of weeks ago and was very convincing.

Terribletriplets · 05/07/2011 13:09

@rhubarb, I was a friend of an ex-girlfriend who was nothing at all to do with the scandal regarding the celeb. Shows how far they were prepared to send 'cub' reporters to throw their scummy net.

franke · 05/07/2011 13:11

Some bod from NI has just been on the news saying the first they heard of this was yesterday. Bollocks. Are you telling me that the top bods wouldn't be aware of the Hugh Grant article in a major UK publication (New Statesman). I am interested in the timing of this - why was nobody up in arms about it three months ago? Why now? Were they just waiting for the Millie Dowler case to be concluded?

ThisIsANiceCage · 05/07/2011 13:11

It's not just the Millie Dowler case that was affected.

In March this year, a murder trial collapsed because of police corruption. It was of a private investigator called Jonathan Rees, accused of murdering his business partner Daniel Morgan.

According to Davies, Rees had previously been paying police officers for information about public figures to pass on to NOTW.

So Rees was creating or strongly encouraging police corruption. And then police corruption caused the case against him to collapse.

Criminals have been tempting police with cash since the Bow Street Runners, but papers like NOTW have exceedingly deep pockets and I can see how at the beginning the coppers might not have thought of it as serious - just a "harmless" little earner leaking confidential info about politicians and slebs.

donnie · 05/07/2011 13:12

Hugh Grant is on radio 4 right now

donnie · 05/07/2011 13:14

he is spot on. He just said that appointing Rebekah Brooks to investigate and clear up this mess would be like asking Hitler to clean up the Nazi party.

Terribletriplets · 05/07/2011 13:16

@shiney; it was because her mailbox was full. Rhubarb explained it to me upthread.

Terribletriplets · 05/07/2011 13:21

I hope that RB is experiencing now what her victims went through over the years of her editorship of NotW. Pity she has a long drive.

TheRhubarb · 05/07/2011 13:23

shiney, if you hack into someone's phone then not only can you listen to messages but you can delete them too. Particularly if the phone is cheap as it makes easier hacking. It's like having the phone on your knee.

They would have first had to get Milly's mobile phone number - I wonder how they did that Hmm

perfectstorm · 05/07/2011 13:26

Andre Handscombe said that the night before Rachel Nickel's funeral, he and her little boy wrote her a letter, sealed it in an envelope, and placed it on her coffin under the flowers to be buried with her.

Two days later it appeared in a tabloid newspaper.

No, I can't say this revelation amazes me.

Terraviva · 05/07/2011 13:37

That poor family. To have your wonderful daughter murdered? Then your personal life dragged through the mud and being aggressively cross-examined by the defence during the trial when you're still raw and grieving? And THEN, to discover a tabloid newspaper hacked into her voicemail and DELETED messages... some grubby journalist listening to those distraught messages you and her friends left her? Begging her to come home? Telling her you love her and miss her? NOTW are fucking sick.

I can't believe the amount of tragedy the Dowler's have had to go through, it just seems so unfair.

CatIsSleepy · 05/07/2011 13:48

RB is trying to cling on

she had a window of opportunity to do the decent thing and resign-she has blown it

ada07 · 05/07/2011 13:54

rhubarb this is how they obtained Milly's mobile no and spied on her parents.

''Their first step was simple, albeit illegal. Paperwork seen by the Guardian reveals that they paid a Hampshire private investigator, Steve Whittamore, to obtain home addresses and, where necessary, ex-directory phone numbers for any families called Dowler in the Walton area. The three addresses Whittamore found could be obtained lawfully on the electoral register. The two ex-directory numbers, however, were "blagged" illegally from British Telecom's confidential records by one of Whittamore's associates, John Gunning, who works from a base in Wiltshire. One of the ex-directory numbers was attributed by Whittamore to Milly's family home.

Then, with the help of its own full-time private investigator, Glenn Mulcaire, the News of the World started illegally intercepting mobile phone messages. Scotland Yard is now investigating evidence that the paper hacked directly into the voicemail of the missing girl's own phone. As her friends and parents called and left messages imploring Milly to get in touch with them, the News of the World was listening and recording their every private word.''

From yesterdays Guardian

TheRhubarb · 05/07/2011 14:01

And the police could see that messages had been listened to and were even deleted, which gave them call to believe that Milly was still alive and had just run away. I reckon there's definitely a case there for perverting the course of justice. The police now need to prove that if they hadn't hacked into her phone the investigation would have gained momentum quicker.

shineynewthings · 05/07/2011 14:14

Rhubarb0 Thanks for explaining. I actually feel sick now that could have been me or anyone else in similar horrific circumstances. As a conspiracy theorist, I always felt the government would be the one to spy on their citizens, not the bloody sunday tabloid.

MmeLindor. · 05/07/2011 14:17

I have just cancelled my TimesOnline subscription. Tbh, I mainly read it for Caitlin Moran and India Knight so it is not that much of a loss.

Wish they would defect to the Guardian.

Those responsible for this should be very ashamed of themselves.

sayanything · 05/07/2011 14:22

Sorry, haven't read the entire thread, but there was a Vanity Fair article on this last month. It seems that Scotland Yard was aware that phone hacking was endemic in the tabloids, but didn't do anything because they were basically relying on journalists for tips.

The whole thing just turned my stomach.

CrapolaDeVille · 05/07/2011 14:26

Anyione writing/working for Murdoch should be ashamed. How do Caitlin and India reconcile their feminist credentials with earning their crust viq Murdoch.

If you subscribe or buy his shit you should be ashamed.

CrapolaDeVille · 05/07/2011 14:27

perfectstorm Tue 05-Jul-11 13:26:40
Andre Handscombe said that the night before Rachel Nickel's funeral, he and her little boy wrote her a letter, sealed it in an envelope, and placed it on her coffin under the flowers to be buried with her.

Two days later it appeared in a tabloid newspaper.

No, I can't say this revelation amazes me.

I felt that this was worth repeating.

CrapolaDeVille · 05/07/2011 14:31

NOTW uncovers pointless shite news stories....predominantly fuelling our obsession with slebs.

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