German insurer Munich Re held orgy for salesmen

[MollysChamber]

I have no words

"What gives YOU or anyone else to say that it is "wrong" and should be banned?"

likewise, what gives you the right to bang on and on and on about who should, and should not, be allowed to live in the UK? Are you the Queen?

"Likewise, it would be unacceptable if say, they went on a jolly to shoot at street children"

You don't see the difference between having an orgy and shooting at children?

Having fun, Rob?

Bit of a slow day is it?

What you are saying, is that there are no moral absolutes; if someone wants to use another human's body for their own pleasure, then they should. So likewise, if there are no moral absolutes, why should you not be able to cause physical harm to someone else? Why not?

I'm on my dinner, don't want to go outside because I've got shocking hay fever.

To sum it up. I beleive that consenting adults should be able to do what they want with each other. I worry about the kind of puritanism and sancitmonious stuff that people have regarding stuff like this. I don't see how it's anyone else's business. It's a private company, if you don't like it, don't do business with them.

This wasn't a group of consenting adults having a bit of fun. It was women being passed from man to man and being marked to show how much they were being used.

Did they stamp the arms of the men to check how many times they'd been able to get it up?

I seriously doubt the women involved were paid well or even were looking forward to this in any way shape or form.

I'm not man hating. I'm ignorant fuckwit who thinks its OK to use women as if they are some kind of bonus hating.

I like a bit of minge after flogging some double glazing. Rounds it off lovely.

On reflection, it must be made up. Surely?

Really Rob?

The men were employees of the organising company. The women were prostitutes.

None of the men feel pressured to join in? None of the women there because their pimp said they had to be?

It's a massive assumption to make that they were all consenting adults there because they wanted to be.

The news report or RobFs post?

I think Hully meant the news report?

I don't think it is made up, sadly.

How many men would complain if a female dominated organisation had a girls night out at a male strip club?

Um, in the real world how many female dominated organisations are there? Let alone any which would want to hire a load of male prostitutes (we're not talking about a hen night at the Chippendales here)

That's the start of my problem with this story - an organisation so male dominated that this scenario could ever even arise. Insurance is the sort of whitecollar profession in which there should be very little gender bias.

Then, imagine the discomfort of the decent men in that organisation. Oh, and what about its homosexual employees? See, I like most men and it bothers me on their behalf too.

The organisation made a massive profit, while others were losing millions. Which is more important, being successful or being "gender balanced"?

If women insurance salespeople think they are getting short shrift, there's nothing stopping them from starting their own firm and kicking the boys' ass fair and square, by running a company more efficiently and not wasting shareholders money on orgies.

I like how you refer to "decent men" as if having sex with prostitutes turns a good man into a bad one. Whether you agree with it or not, it is not particularly bad on the grand scale of things. In the world of business many men and women will do far more harmful things in order to get to the top of the tree. Look at ENRON for instance, not to mention the banks. Ruining millions of lives.

Oh dear God. You have got to be kidding me Rob.

"No, I'm sorry, decent men do not have sex with prostitutes."
Rubbish.

What about single men having sex with prositutes where it is legalised?

What about men at war who have sex with prostitutes on leave before returning to the warzone? You'd be condemning a large portion of the armed forces during WW2 if you start condemning that.

What about men who's wives simply don't want sex anymore, but the man doesn't want to leave their lifelong companion?

If you put men on a pedestal, you face a lifetime of disappointment as any man you know falls off at some point or another. Grow up, and accept men (and women) for what they are, flawed human beings, with selfish needs.

Rob - two wrongs don't make a right. Decent men don't whore or commit fraud.

It is hardly putting men on a pedestal to expect them not to fuck prostitutes.

Decent men do not have sex with prostitutes. End of.

Our definitions of 'decent' are obviously poles apart.

Oh noooo, would I??? "You'd be condemning a large portion of the armed forces during WW2 if you start condemning that."

Gosh well I'd better stop then. I was wrong. Women aren't people after all. Because if soldiers who fought THE NAZIS used prostitutes then obviously using prostitutes is fine.

You really are a spectacular numbskull, RobF. Although on the plus side I've never seen hayfever as a positive before. But now I'm ready to cuddle every little granule of pollen for torturing the delicate tissues of your nasal passages.

I very much doubt any of those insurers 'needed' to have sex with a prostitute. If they did, they probably need to get some help from a different sort of profession.

Obviously. I think you are deluded if you seperate men into two groups, "decent" and "indecent" and throw men in the second group forever, no matter what they do elsewhere in life, for something as insignificant (which it IS, at the end of the say) of sleeping with a prositute.

I can see I'm going to change no-ones mind, so I'll just stop posting in this thread.

I do love Twisty's suggestion for consent laws

She also notes: "Prostituted women are indistinguishable from sex itself. This is true to varying degrees of all women, but prostituted women particularly are imagined to manifest so cavalier an attitude toward being used at any and all times by any and all comers that it is considered impossible to rape them. Prostituted women can never say no to sex because they are sex."