Killer father felt left out after his baby girl arrived.

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Mark Bruton Young smothered his six month-old daughter, having researched the ways he could get rid of her, and whilst apparently suffering post natal depression.

He was also angry with his wife and wished they could go back to being a couple.

Is it post natal depression or sociopathy?

Christ. How utterly vile.

I too don't believe that men can get post natal depression, at all. I am sure that PND is mainly hormonal. When I had it, I was very calmly trying to work out how I could kill myself, to me it seemed a perfectly rational way of passing the time. However I treated my daughter as if she was made of glass, was probably overprotective.

I have suffered with depression most of my adult life, and am going through an episode at the moment, my other adult depressions have felt very different from the PND. At one point in PND I felt the walls were breathing and I was being watched, and used to talk to myself. In any other depression I have had just (just!) the sickening melancholy, but none of the other slightly hallucinatory experiences. They are very different.

I have no sympathy for this ghastly man. It was premeditated murder in my eyes. Whether it is sociopathic I don't know, but how on earth can anyone stomach researching ways to kill a baby by punching it in the stomach? Fucking hell.

Wow, never had posts reported before. Tbh I can't really see what the problem is. If you had known her you might have a slightly more coloured viewpoint on it.

If someone I knew had lost their daughter and was facing the trial of their husband for her murder then spreading malicious gossip about her school days would be the very last thing I would be doing!

I see your point but I can't get my head round the fact that she is supporting him. She's standing by him, when he did that. How the hell does someone support their husband after that? Had she not been supporting and standing by him, I would not have said anything about her past. Anyway, I know that is not the main point to this story, I was just venting on here because of my shock and anger.

Ok then - well it is very shocking. The main points for me are though that he hasn't been found guilty yet afaik? It's not uncommon for one partner in what is basically a very dark and abusive relationship to be a victim too and appear to be standing by somebody that the rest of the world loathes. They just can't break away. It's also possible that she believes him and thinks their daughter died from cot death. If my husband was arrested for murdering on of our children would I believe it? Would you? Imagine what horror it is to to even begin to accept that knowledge.

I know, it's almost beyond comprehension. And I know he hasn't been found guilty yet but with all the internet searches that he'd been doing for months, it just sounds like a done deal. I guess no-one knows what their relationship was like, I doubt it was normal. Anyway, I will step back from this now; it probably wasn't right to do an attack on her on here, just reeling slightly from the news, and the apparent view of her support for him.

' I am sure that PND is mainly hormonal. When I had it, I was very calmly trying to work out how I could kill myself, to me it seemed a perfectly rational way of passing the time. However I treated my daughter as if she was made of glass, was probably overprotective.'

This echoes my experience of PND. I couldn't sleep for fear my daughter would die of cot death. I was wound up like a spinning top and felt she and everyone else would be far better off without me.

It was like a light switching off when she was about 18 months old, a fog lifted.

BT gives the fear of death of a loved one, not PND which is why it feels different to normal depression. Sadly a lot of doctors don't know the difference and women are regularly left undiagnosed. I know mine was and it was only my second baby that made things better. I spoke with the nurse practitioner from the M&B clinic about the possibility that it was BT and he agreed that's what it sounded like, but that's the most official answer I ever got. The two can cross over too.

Men can certainly get BT, they can get PND too because, as has been said further up thread, it's not been proven that it is hormonal.

That should be of "yourself or a loved one"

This whole thing makes me feel so sick.

I've come on here to post a couple of times, but gone away again as it makes me so and .

To think, even think about punching a baby is beyond my comprehension.

I can't understand why she is standing by him after all the information about the searches. And god, what must his poor mother be feeling.

Not guilty of murder

:(

PND puhleeeeeeease.

Psycho who felt insanely jealous more like, but not insane. Just a man with a void where he should have had a heart and a conscience.

People who have personality disorders or other problems associated with failure to develop empathy and a belief that the world should revolve around them can be very jealous of a baby or anything else that claims the attention of their 'love' object.

Did he admit killing the baby but used PND as his defence?

On a wider level, is alleged PND in men an expression of jealousy in and of itself?

'Anything you can do I can do better?',
'What about the menz?'

I cannot believe he has been acquitted. Absolutely speechless. The evidence must have been cast-iron, no mention of it in the report?

I did not read the deleted post but it does seem that she has been brainwashed by him. I wonder if they will have further children.

I've just watched this couple on the news, all smiles and embraces. Sickening!

The cause of death was never established. He denies harming his child. Would we really expect him to be convicted on the basis of internet searches?

Wow. A jury who hears ALL the evidence aquits him of murder and you, the mn judge and jury who know what you read in the Daily Mail would probably have hanged him on page one.

Well done all, I wonder what your medals will say?

He wormed his way out of that one then.

This couple can now enjoy endless blissful togetherness.

'He wormed his way out of that one then'

Indeed. The Jury were obviously thick/asleep/hadn't read enough Daily Mail that day.

Brilliant idea! lets scrap this cumbersome and useless criminal justice system and instead judge people on how they look in photos. Because that would very swiftly have bought Joanna Yeates murderer to justice.

But the thing is Spero, convicted or otherwise of murder, he nevertheless did those searches.

That I find unbelievable. That is something I would find unforgivable. So no. Sorry. I do judge.

And I hope that one day he has the grace to feel ashamed and guilty.

The searches are symptomatic of a disturbed mind not proof of murder. Is that in itself really unforgiveable?

I can only speak personally, but for me, yes. Researching how to kill my baby by punching her would absolutely be the end.

MrsDistinctly
I have at times in my life entertained thoughts of murder and suicide. I have done some internet searches that I would be very ashamed/embarrassed to have made general knowledge. I could see how the police could build a very convincing case against me for all sorts of nasty stuff if a dodgy internet search history and a lack of photogenic charm was all it took to lock me up.

thank god that isn't the case.

Judge away all you like. But what has really disturbed me about this thread is the fact that the jurys decision appears to be rejected out of hand because people just 'know' he is evil and his wife his evil for standing by him.

No one on this board has a clue what was going on in this family, what kind of stress they were both under. I am happy to trust a criminal investigation and the views of a jury who hear all the evidence.