Daily Mail fail

[Gooseberrybushes]

Have just done the usual check around the papers and wanted mners to respond to a query if you can.

Re Daily Mail: the most important story of the day is not the lead, unsurprisingly, nor anywhere near it. It seems an average day for the Mail. There is the usual celebrity bilge down the right column.

So I was wondering, in terms of news choices and news coverage, what kind of thing is being objected to and on what grounds.

For eg: there's a story about school heads being paid over 100,000 a year. If you really hate the Mail, can you explain why in terms of specific stories.

Thanks. I'm neutral, I read all the papers (well not cover to cover but I get across them all online to get a rounded view.

In case this counts: my chosen paper would be the Telegraph, favoured media the BBC and out of the Guardian and the Indie, I'd take the Indie.

I wonder if anyone will respond!

Maybe they have better contacts.

Personal insults? Deary me, how very unMail like.

I mean the Mail and Telegraph, not the leftie press.

But not charged, smallwhitecat - arrested on suspicion.

All papers have a slant, but the last thing I need is a slant that encourages me to believe that as a white middle class taxpayer I'm some kind of persecuted victim. I always noticed that if my lovely, but not terribly bright, MIL suddenly came out with xenophobic comments or started hinting that she was being fleeced by people on benefits, there would be bound to be a copy of the DM lying around the house. (MIL btw inherited her own wealth, but also got DLA in later years).

Well, Lady, you've accused me of lying. So that makes you.. what? Personally insulting, I'd say. Grow up petal.

No, but I expect factual reporting, not hysterical headlines such as 'Ecstasy death girl, 15, 'idolised drug-taking musicians and was hooked on the internet'.

And how rude, smallwhitecat.

I questioned if you had anything to declare, which is not an accusation in most people's lexicon.
A question you still have not answered, btw.

DM outsold The Sun for the first time last week.....just thought you'd like to know

as a matter of law you need reasonable grounds for suspicion to arrest someone - which means there has to be some evidence

Careful, smallwhitecat - thankfully people are innocent until proven guilty in the UK, and that would be in a court of law, not in some silly MNer's head. We've been here before very recently, when a landlord was arrested for murder, villified on MN and in the press, and then found totally innocent. I expect you were one of the people baying for his blood, too - after all, you need reasonable grounds to arrest someone, right?

Thank Christ the justice system is slightly more sophisticated than you are.

You told me to trot off to my deadline. Accusing me of being a journalist and writing this for an article.

Er yes, I've answered it, several times - why do you think I told you to read the thread.

Your confrontational tone is unnecessary, but entirely in keeping with your paper of choice.

Then you'll know all about the difference between 'arrested on suspicion', 'charged' and 'proven guilty', smallwhitecat. All different.

So you stand by that headline as an entirely reasonable one then?

'DM outsold The Sun for the first time last week.....just thought you'd like to know'

...when we talk about sales of the DM, do we mean circulation? Just that there appear to be an awful lot of free ones floating about (eg Tesco delivery, motorway services etc)

(was offered free copy by Tesco delivery man. When I took it and said 'ooh, always good to know what the Enemy's thinking' he replied 'most people tell me to shove it up my arse )

I hate the way the DM has a big headline that is actually totally inaccurate and just reinforces the prejudices of the terminally ignorant.

One example of this was a headline which said something along the lines of '£10 for an overdraft if you're Muslim' but £25 if you're not'. The actual article was about a bank account introduced by LLoyds (I think) which had no overdrat facility and didn't pay any interest on it. Yes it would be attractive to muslims because of their religious beliefs but it was open to everyone irrespective of religion and the marketing wasn't even specifically aimed at Muslims. If you did go overdrawn then it was £10 a day.

The other account offered had an automatic £250 overdraft facility plus paid interest of the balance. If you went over the £250 overdraft limit you would be charged at £25 per day. Seems quite reasonable to me as you would have already borrowed £250 but no this was used as another excuse to Muslim bash because reading some of the on line comments it's clear people read what they want to believe. I would go as far as to say it's an example of the DM trying to incite racial hatred.

Sales, not circulation.

Yet again Lady showing that you haven't read the thread. And it was you who started the confrontation. Should I assume you are a DM reader?

To add to the drug-related death story: I would say it's almost inevitable that they will not be working on assumptions and inferences from the arrest, and that someone has been given a nod.

I don't think it's absurd - I am happy for the BBC to report that the cause of death is unknown, and won't be discovered for a few days. I would much rather hear/read about facts, rather than hearsay/speculation/arrests which may well turn out later to be completely false.