is water boarding torcher?

[ginodacampoismydh]

what do you all think?

ill check on thread later tomorrow but i just wondered what others thought after mixed reactions on question time im [shocked]

No but it might be torture.

That would be torture, of course

And - yes - of course it is.

Do you mean,

"is water boarding torture?"

yes.

yes

I think water activity would extinguish any torching.

Yes of course.

Yes...however you could try it and see for yourself?

Yes, of course it is.

of course it is, whether it is defensible is another question

Yes

iv killed my own thread with poor spelling. jees, had to happen im rubbish!!

anyway im not changing it, but im shocked that some people think it is defensible "torture" and has a place.

Yes. Even David Cameron called it torture and added that information gained through torture is unreliable. He certainly didnt look like he supported what Bush thought was ok,

The first question should be 'does torture work?'

Then we should discuss if it is morally defensible.

Because if it doesn't work then there is no discussion.

(and seriously - torcher?)

Really, you need to ask this ?

thank goodness for that. It may be defensible, it depends on the greater good IMO

You wouldn't even be able to discuss it if our 'forces' didn't do it.

This is one of those things that I know will not touch my life and quite frankly I don't want to know about.

Of course, we could disarm and not armorise ourselves and give in and have one political party like the Chinese. In fact they would probably invade us, why not?

Sometimes, war and protecting your country and family, is horrible and horrible things have to be done.

What's the alternative?

"You wouldn't even be able to discuss it if our 'forces' didn't do it." - what does this mean?

It's so lovely for you being so sure that this will never touch your life. What if the fabled Chinese did invade this country and you were suspected of involvement in a plot to overthrow their new government? Stranger things have happened.

Also, torture doesn't work because people will say any old bobbins to make it stop.

And yes OP it is torture. If it was the guy I think you mean on question time he is an arrogant little prick with all the moral fibre of a packet of space raiders.

It's so lovely for you being so sure that this will never touch your life. What if the fabled Chinese did invade this country and you were suspected of involvement in a plot to overthrow their new government? Stranger things have happened.

Also, torture doesn't work because people will say any old bobbins to make it stop.

And yes OP it is torture. If it was the guy I think you mean on question time he is an arrogant little prick with all the moral fibre of a packet of space raiders.

Are you in the business of protecting the UK. Probably not.

The very fact that you can say anything you like on this forum is because you live in a country which has an armed force. Yes armed and dangerous and probably torturers.

If you don't like it, then I would say have a great time when you land in one of those countries where you wouldn't be able to write doh without wondering if the thought police would knock on your door. Isn't Switzerland neutral. Perhaps you could live there.

After watching people burn the poppies today, my patience is running thin for people like you.

We should be bloody grateful that there are people out there that are able to torture someone (I certainly couldn't) to make sure you are safe.

I feel very sorry for some of the people who go into the protection of the Uk knowing there are people who feel like this.

I think that's a huge slander on the people who go into the armed forces (I would think most of them) who would not see themselves as signing up to torture people.

"People like you" - PMSL. What do you know about me?

And you are obviously not "in the business of protecting the UK" either, since you admit that this issue doesn't touch your life. So why even think about scoring that point?

It's not about scoring a point, it's about leaving the armed forces to do as they need to without us 'uneducated as far as war is concerned' to get on with it.

I will never ever understand why people 'like you' question this?

which other people are like me, IYO?

I haven't actually said that waterboarding is wrong, have I? Just that torture doesn't work.

So where are you getting that idea from? Just interested you know since you obviously have spies everywhere.

Waterboarding is torture and torture as a general principle doesn't work, and here's why.

1. People will say anything to make it stop, you get overwhelmed with complete nonsense "confessions"

2. Torturing is saying that the ends justify the means, which gives support to terrorists when they claim the same thing.

3. Torture makes the world more dangerous by confirming the view that the west is "evil" and encourages more terrorists and more terrorist attacks.

4. Torture makes winning "hearts and minds" pretty much impossible, and that is the only ways that insurrections are stopped.

You might drag out some evidence on an individual instance but on the whole you are making the world a far more dangerous place.

"about leaving the armed forces to do as they need to without us 'uneducated as far as war is concerned' to get on with it."

The armed forces do not "need" to torture and as said above it's a bad thing to do it, you cause more harm than good.

And I'll echo the point made by someone else to say that you calling the armed forces torturers is slander on those who defend this country. The armed forces do not, as a rule, torture people.