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ginodacampoismydh · 11/11/2010 23:10

what do you all think?

ill check on thread later tomorrow but i just wondered what others thought after mixed reactions on question time im [shocked]

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MrsCrafty · 14/11/2010 01:01

envisualise"

never heard that one before. Do you mean "envisage" ? or "visualise"?

as for all the weirdy cake references - what's that all about?

Oh and as for your "pal" MrsCrafty - is it Dubya? or just a little imaginary friend inside your head

DONNIE, I mistyped as I was thinking visualise and envisage, so sorry and hope you don't make mistakes whilst typing.

As for my having friends in my head. That's a pretty big insult. Do you think I am a nutter then? Surely, we all get our views and opinions from friends, colleagues, and our general life experiences. I certainly don't pick up information purely from media sources.

BadgersPaws · 15/11/2010 09:27

"As for my having friends in my head. That's a pretty big insult."

So, about as big an insult as labelling people who have been in the armed forces for a while, long enough to be invited into the top secret torture club, as war criminals?

And on the subject of the top secret torture club if it's so secret then why would people be quite so keen to tell you about it? Someone who, as you admit, doesn't know anything and then goes on the internet and spreads it around. Someone who outs their friend as a war criminal and has now implicated themselves as knowing about the committing of very serious crimes, you could be guilty of being a war criminal too for failing to report this.

So what's more likely, a top secret torture club that's so top secret people like you hear about it (yet meanwhile very sneaky left wing journalists don't) or someone spinning you a few tales?

But that's a logical question.

Which you won't answer.

In the same way that you won't answer repeated statements that while torture might work in isolated cases on the whole it produces a crippling fog of false intelligence, which costs lives, inspires more terrorist attacks, which costs more lives, and makes the "war" drag on, costing even yet more lives.

So let's be quite blunt and clear about this, systematic torture (including waterboarding) kills more of our soldiers than it will ever save.

"Your very haughty tones and the way you all envisualise yourselves as being terribly academic, informed and absolutely right are excellent."

It's not about being "educated" or "moral". It's pure and simple minded practicality. Systematic torture will lead to more British parents getting a visit from the military with awful news about their children.

BadgersPaws · 15/11/2010 09:42

Oh and while considering whether it's more likely that there's a top secret torture club or someone telling a few tall tales also consider this....

Your friend tells you classified military secrets that reveal him/her to be a war criminal. You publish them on the internet, are met with disbelief and go back to the friend for confirmation.

Would you expect their reactions to be:

A) "You did what with those military secrets? On the internet? Where human rights groups, lefty journalists and our enemies can read it? From your home computer? Where you could be traced? Right, pack your bags, we're off the Latin America!"

B) "Oh, here's some more top secret hush hush secrets for you etc. etc."

WelshCerys · 15/11/2010 14:04

www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/borisjohnson/8133411/George-W.-Bush-cant-fight-for-freedom-and-authorise-torture.html

Excellent article by Boris Johnson in today's Telegraph about Bush's torture comments in his recent memoirs.

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