Poor forced from the city's centre!

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Am i alone in seeing if housing benefit is cut, and the poor are forced out of the cities, buy to let homes will go up for sale then the double dip recession (actually the third dip by my counting) will kill our housing market even more.

People act like only those who are out of work get housing benefit, and also that the poor or out of work don't deserve to have nice things and like like other human beings, getting really sick of it actually!

Campbell Robb, chief executive of Shelter, said: ?Every two minutes someone in this country faces the nightmare of losing their home. But as the Government prepares to slash housing investment and support, there is no question this will increase in the coming months".

media.shelter.org.uk/Press-releases/SHELTER-LAUNCHES-NEW-CHRISTMAS-AD-CAMPAIGN-TO-SHOW-ANYONE-CAN-LOSE-THEIR-HOME-34e.aspx

Eviction is easy, if you are a private Landlord , most tenancy agreements are only 1 year anyway so they can just kick you out at the end, thats if you even have a tenancy agreement, the last dump I was at didn't give us one for three years and when we left we had to pay a £50 handling fee to get our fucking deposit back.

It isn't very easy to evict someone (nor should it be)but not renewing the tenancy agreement is a right that the landlord has to have. If the landlord wanted to sell the property or if he thought he could rent it out for more I don't see why he shouldn't be able to get rid of the people who are renting the property that he owes.

witcheseve in some LAs there will be nowhere at all that meets the cap. Therefore the LA will not have an obligation to find them alternative accomodation - I assume that this obligation will be removed before all of this gets started. It doesn't make any sense to leave it in.

This is the point - people won't be asked by the council to move a mile or 2 away and given assistance - with the children able to stay at school and families able to reach their friends and families and potentially jobs. People will have to be sent completely away, from everything they know, away from support networks, away from family members they might be caring for (has anyone thought of that) to god knows where. It won't be in the same LA for most, that's for sure.

I assume that target areas will be picked where there are lots of empty properties (some of those derelict places you see on the news maybe) and people will be bussed there en masse?

ISNT Is it wrong to ask people who require state assistance to move in order to reduce the amount of assistance they require?

I live in a council flat in Islington, in the dodgier part of town. My old neighbour has been gloating because she moved out of her council flat into a private rental nearby, a lovely Georgian property in the catchment of an outstanding school. The estate's catchment school where my son goes is a Grade 3 Ofsted and has lots of problems, less parental involvement, lots of children who don't have English as a first language etc.

She said I was an idiot for staying in my poky little flat when she could get a much nicer place and get it paid by HB, and get her child a placer in a better school. But I wouldn't have got full HB as I earn too much and I just wouldn't have been able to afford the rent on somewhere like that. My wages were effectively paying for her to live somewhere better than me, while she was only paying a fraction towards it.

I'm glad that the Govt have picked up on situations like this. I spoke to her yesterday and she's been calling the council trying to get a council flat again, but it sounds like she'll be charged higher rents as they won't offer her the same tenancy conditions as before. And it's unlikely that she'd get priority for a council flat now. She thinks she is going to have to leave the area or move into a a one bed/studio flat (with three children) as that is all she could afford locally when the caps come in.

" huddspur Thu 28-Oct-10 12:34:46

ISNT Is it wrong to ask people who require state assistance to move in order to reduce the amount of assistance they require?"

Is it wrong to pay people who work full time a decent wage that is actually enough to live on?.

Remember only 1 in every 8 Housing Benefits claimants are unemployed.

People are paid what the market deems their work is worth.

Well they might as well stop bothering then and we will see how people get on with shop staff, street cleaners and the like then.

Get on without shop staff etc I mean, way to go forgetting the most important word in that post, I'm calling a Picard on that one before anyone else does.

Ryoko If people stopped working then they would probably have less income than if were working so why would they stop?

'people will be bussed there en masse'

no wonder people are 'laughing' on this thread with comments that like.

Well if the wage of a job is decided based on what the market thinks the work itself is worth and not based on how many applicants apply for that kind of work, so the more people there are wanting a job the lower the wages can be set, supply and demand and all that.

Then no one is going to miss shop staff, cleaners and care workers are they because the market deems that kind of work is worthless to society.

Unlike bankers who deserve millions in bonuses for screwing us all over.

Maybe the shop staff/cleaners etc will be paid a higher wage - at the moment the rest of us who don't live in central london are subsidising the employers of people who do by paying their HB, if they are getting HB due to low wages.
Ryoko, you suggest that employers did not want enaything to do with you becasue fo your lack oeducation [hhmm], you don't consider it mught because of the massive chip on your shoulder and your propensity to rant, as demonstrated on this thread? [hgrin]

Ryoko does the market not factor in the number of applicants, supply and demand etc when it decides the pay.

Well it should factor in can you live on that amount or more precisely the government should set the NMW at a realistic level in line with living costs, employers would pay people £1 an hour if they could.

After having a child we had to move out off Zone 2. I now spend 4 hours a day commuting. It is awful and stressful and means I see little of my 7 year old. But life is unfair and hard and why should I pay for other people who get HB to live nearer to their places of work, a luxury I cannot afford.

There is another thing at play here, which no one seems to have mentioned yet, when you apply to be on the council housing register you are only allowed to register within the council area you are currently living in or the area you are working (as long as it's a significant distance from where you live).

No one seems to have mentioned that, if I could have get on the housing list for Wales or somewhere else with a mass of empty council housing I would do so in a shot.

Hi Ryoko is it worth a 16 year old putting their name down on council housing register in the hopes that after 20 years there will be a house available? Is there any criteria or is everyone entitled to be on the list?

yes Lasvegas, what a great thing for a 16 year old to aspire to put your name down on the list now just in case...

Btw, I am in a v similar situation to you Lasvegas - commute about 2.5 hours a day, work fulltime, don't see DD as much as I'd like, but these are the choices and decisions which normal families make every day to pay the bills. There seem to be some people claiming HB who think they are exempt from having to make these decisions, that they have the right to live round the corner from all their mates and family and within 10mins walk of their workplace. Insane.

elportodelgato I will do everything in my power to ensure my dd doesn't have the same lifestyle I have. Long commutes in boiling or freezing conditions have a negative impact on mental and physical health and the worst bit is when the train is cancelled and I am late to collect dd. If I knew how hard life was going to be I would never have taken a specialised job that can more or less only be done in C London.

LasVegas Should you not be trying to get your dd to aspire to more than a council house.

Have more kids, about 3 to 4 in a 1 bedroom place should get you noticed enough to be classed as a C or B if you are lucky.

Be homeless completely (not dosing round a friends place thats a class B) and you will be a class A and top priority on the housing list, alternatively leave the country burn all your ID and come back claiming Asylum and you will be a class A as well.

I gave up on the Council Housing list, it's pointless.

byrel I think its a good plan to put name down on list even if theres a 2% chance of name coming to the top of the list, what is there to loose. Wjo know what the state of the country will be in in 30 years time.

It never occured to me to put my name on a list and now I have a massive mortgage, negative equity and long commute to work.

Ryoko what an eye opener.