Mother suspected of killing her three children

[ElenorRigby]

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hope the witch rots in hell

poor poor children
RIP sweethearts

you're right EldritchCleavage, but there are a lot of people on the net who have looked at these extraordinary violent family killings and mass killings and they have found a surprising number of the killers were on these type of medications.

It was 5. She had 5 children.

IMO, her religious freak husband should have be locked up, too. Git.

Her psychiatrists had advised she not have any more children, because she got worse with every one.

But no, his dick was more important.

The day she was discharged from another psychiatric hospital, because again, her insurance wouldn't pay and for sure her waste of space husband wasn't going to, her psychiatrists warned she needed to be watched round the clock.

Surprise, surprise! He left her on her own, all whacked out of her mind.

She will not be back in society, that's for sure.

A warrant has been issued for Mrs Riggi's arrest.

I took flowers down to the place where they were murdered this afternoon. Just feel so terribly sad for the children. Surprisingly there were hardly any flowers there at all - another mum I spoke to seemed to think that it was so horrible, people didn't want to go there.

Hate the speculation on this thread that the father might be a monster who drove his ex to this. What a horrible thing to speculate about on the basis of no evidence at all - all you can really say is he wasn't directly involved, he was using a legal route to put a protective order in place this week, and now all this man can do is now grieve for his three beautiful children. His life will never be the same again.

I dislike the speculation about the father, too. She abducted them and even then, he went through the court system to find them. When she was found, even then, he did not press any charges on her, but applied to the courts.

The press surrounded their initial disappearance was of concern for hers and their safety, not even stating the circumstances surrounding their disappearance at all.

If a man had abducted his children, he'd be pilloried on here - he must be a paedo, a family annihilator, an abuser.

Whilst this may be so, it is not always so.

I feel sorry for the families of both Mr and Mrs Riggi.

expat To be fair I wouldnt' say she abducted them, as she was the parent with care - she may have breached a court order to make them available for contact with their father - but that is a civil matter and not one in which the police would get involved in until there was a court order in place.

Having said that - the Dad was clearly concerned and pursuing through the proper channels. I am so sorry for him - he was trying to protect his children, and he couldn't.

I see they have charged the mother now.

I also feel for the family. The grandmother is alive and in her 80s. How could you cope with knowing your daughter has killed your grandchildren?

I may be weird but I don't understand people who take flowers to mark the tragic events in the lives of people they don't know.

DuelingFanjo Well, it's a traditional mourning ritual. It acts as a mark of respect for the dead - and is a concrete expression of the belief that the death is important and matters - whilst the ritual itself provides a source of comfort to the person laying the flowers.

It is an empathic response, and you don't need to know the deceased to feel that.

Sassy, she knows damn well that, in her own country, what she did was abduct them.

Obviously they weren't very integrated for having lived here so long, it's harder to be when one of you isn't native, or she'd have known how much UK courts favour awarding full custody to the mother here, and that joint custody she would have understood it in both CA and CO law doesn't really exist here.

She was also trying to abscond with the kids, had her passport removed for that very reason.

Then, if she is in fact found guilty of what the charge, murdered them.

But again, it's only a charge at present and there's been no confession released to the public so who knows for certain.

I don't get flower-laying, either.

When we lived in Leith a chap was murdered in the road outside a pub barely a block down after a brawl, and strangers left flowers.

I found it unsettling.

In the US, some states have had to ban roadside 'memorials' as they cause more accidents. Some anthropologist in Denver did an entire PhD thesis on them!

I'm aware that some people find a few flowers left at an accident scene so distressing that they complain to the authorities. I just don't get the complaints tbh - I mean there are loads of distractions at the roadside - good looking blokes, trees with nice leaves, dogs barking, banks of daffodils.... if a driver can cope with that, surely they can manage with the odd bunch of dead flowers?

Well done SassySusan for laying flowers at the site. I think it is a mark of respect and shows that the community cares about what happened. I don't leave messages or flowers but I am very glad that some people do this, otherwise the deaths would go unmarked. People who leave flowers and messages show that they care, and the messages and flowers act as a reminder to the rest of us of the events that happened there. It is similar to the reason why some countries have days of mourning and why we have a minute's silence to commemorate the dead.

'otherwise the deaths would go unmarked.'

the townhouse is still cordoned off with police tape, that's a pretty obvious marker.

and as soon as that tape goes, the flowers will, too.

into a bin.

toss a few quid into a charity bank at least it goes for some good.

feeling sad about the childrens' death? the central mosque is taking donations now to prevent thousands more childrens' deaths in pakistan.

if you're in glasgow, islamic relief has absolutely gorgeous leather jackets, shoes, clothes stuff on sale, all recently donated, lots even brand new from businesses, to raise money for the relief effort.

I'm slightly perplexed by your agitation. Laying flowers yesterday did not stop me responding to the DEC appeal - why would it?

why on Earth do you think I'm 'agitated'? i think it's a waste of money and weird. not agitated, just think it's weird and a waste of money that could be going for some better purpose.

but hey, it's yours to throw away.

I assumed you were agitated because your comments seemed needlessly rude and disrespectful, and I wouldn't have behaved like that personally unless I was extremely exorcised about the issue.

It matters to the relatives of those that have died, it gives them some small comfort that people care and have demonstrated their sorrow at the deaths of their relatives. A piece of police tape is official, but a letter, a teddy bear and flowers are from the heart. When I am driving a bit too fast on a dual carriageway and I see flowers at the roadside, it stops me short and I realise I may be endangering myself and others. I realise that somebody died on that spot and that their loved ones and friends left a mark of their respect at that spot. Nobody touches the flowers and they remain there as a mark of respect.

Oh, please. Difference of opinion, phrased such as 'I find it weird and a waste of money,' are different from personal affronts on oneself.

Do get over it. That's how this board works.

I don't see it as a mark of a respect but macabre, unnecessary, a waste of money and competitive grieving, more for serving the giver's own bizarre needs than the deceased.

It's not a given relatives all find that a comfort, that total strangers go round adorning the site where their loved ones passed away to constantly remind them of their loss and misfortune.

Others feel differently. That difference is not 'rude' and 'disrespectful'. It is a difference, and this board is about one of the only places where that difference is respected above fluffy honeybearness.

It's not a given relatives all find that a comfort, that total strangers go round adorning the site where their loved ones passed away to constantly remind them of their loss and misfortune.

I thought you'd said they follow the police tape into the bin. You seem a little confused.

Now you're bordering on nonsensical trying to start an argument. Roadside memorials = side of road. Townhouse in block of flats = private property bordered by pavement in urban area.

But carry on nitpicking trying to argue and get personal, which I never did here.

When this actually becomes a discussion again I'll come back.

[rolls eyes]

I'm just having difficulty following your rather muddled argument.

It sounds like you're confusing your own discomfort around death (feeling flowers are macabre rather than an expression of sympathy etc) with how bereaved families might feel.

To be honest, the idea that a mother/father etc will only be reminded that their child/spouse etc was killed at that paricular place because there are a few flowers left there is just laughable. Their heart will lurch every time they are there regardless of any memorial.

You sound as though you have been lucky enough not to experience any difficult bereavements. (Forgive me if I am wrong). In any case, the death of a child is an extremely emotive topic, and telling other people that their (kindly meant) gestures are wierd or a waste of money is just plain offensive.

We also have a different idea of "getting personal".

It's difficult to know how to mark the death of a child. (How are you, Sassy?)

As far as marking a place where there has been a violent death, in my mind, it's a mark of respect, or somehow trying to put a gesture of goodwill, however small, in an attempt to say, 'your life meant something.'

It's not an argument. At least not to me. It is a difference of opinion. I find such displays by strangers weird, a waste of money and a bit sad.

You have no idea what my ideas, beliefs or experiences are about death because you do not know me, nor have I expressed any or shared any on here.

Do you go round reading into and analysing the posts of random strangers so much?

Again, to me and IMO I find that a bit disturbing.

So disturbing that I'm really not interested in addressing you any further.

When one addresses someone by bolding their name, that is personally addressing that. Seems rather self-explanatory.

Again, this is no longer a discussion but a person getting personal and making all sort of psychological assumptions about internet sprites, so I'm going to step away from that because I find it disconcerting in this cirucmstance.