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Man kills wife over roast beef dinner

I agree with ISNT. It's the judge's comments that are particularly awful. Why didn't he say "So you didn't mean to kill her? Well, here's a radical idea, how about not punching people in the neck if you mean them no harm."

Calling it a "tiff" is trivialising the death of this poor woman, and praising her killer for his entirely irrelevant public life just beggars belief.

And that's before we even mention the sentence.

I don't think someguy has dished out any shit on this thread and i think its's incredibly rude and childish to try and claim that he did.

I've found his posts very measured and sensible, and have provided much more information than many of the insulting and sarcastic posts, which do the feminist cause no favours at all tbh.

Oh no, you mean I didn't stay totally straight faced and sober in my high-necked Approved Feminist Suit throughout? In that case Feminism Must Cease!!!!

Telling a lot of women to stop talking about the death of a woman and get back to teatime chatter about cakes is far worse than anything else.

But you may have noticed that conversation has moved on.

Of course it has. It's moved on to the usual insults and sarcasm from the usual people as these threads usually do. You could put money on it.

And 'don't start somethin you can't finish'? WTF. You'll be asking him to step outside next!

It doesn't matter, lemonmuffin. We are not here to hand out Good Etiquette prizes. We are trying to talk about what appears to be a miscarriage of justice, and tacit approval by the judge of a man who confessed to killing his wife.

did you just pop in to tell us off, or was there something else you wanted to say?

members of a mysterious International Brotherhood? Now what could we call it - something beginning with P might be nice...

Yes that's just it dittany, everyone who disagrees with you is actually the same person, very good, you've cracked the code.

You win first prize: a lemon drivel cake.

Oh fgs. Anyone who disagrees with you is a sock puppet?

I'm just an ordinary female poster actually, who wanted to say what i've said on this thread.

Any checking and counting posts? Really?

It doesn't matter though does it, any of this. If people think it is fair enough for a man to describe an argument where someone ended up dead as a "tiff" then that is their perogative. If other want to get upset at how seemingly dismissive this is of what happened, that is their perogative.

I think for some people to insist that the comments the judge made were right and proper and that everyone (the majority on this thread) are being silly to see the death of a woman dismissed so casually, is not fine.

I don;t understand why anyone would want to insist that this judges comments were absolutely bang on, TBH. A woman is dead, the altercation that killed her has been referred to as a "tiff" and the man who killed her has been patted on the back. There are people who have problems with what the judge said for many different reasons. The majority of people on this thread find his comments shocking. But we are all wrong? It was just a tiff after all. I mean FGS.

I don't believe 97 posts is only a handful and i think it's unfair to try and dismiss me as a sock puppet/mate/whatever. You can contact mumsnet hq for proof if you feel it necessary.

i think it's shocking that the man got 18 months for killing his wife, it should have been significantly longer, and i also think the judges' remarks were pretty shocking too, another example of a judge actively looking for reasons to be as lenient as possible.

I'm just tired of it all Dittany.

All these thread about violence against women and rape and so on, they all go the same way, and it's always the same people.

What do people get out of going onto a thread where people are sharing their feelings about these things and telling them they're wrong. How can it be wrong to think that it's shit that a judge describes an altercation of such violence that someone ends up dead as a tiff? What is the point in arguing against that? I guess the argument is that it's good and sensible to make light of DV situations where someone ends up dead. But that is an odious point of view, why bother sharing it with people who are obviously upset? Just to cause further upset presumably.

Honestly it's just tiring and boring.

lemon muffin then why are you fervently defending a poster who is desperately arguing against that view, and who on another thread was desperately arguing that an 18yo man who raped a 12yo girl was an innocent who was entraped by a conniving child?

It's always these threads about male on female violence and sexual assault, and it's always the same people, and it's always the same bloody story. I am sick of being told that I am wrong to be upset and angry about these things.

Dittany; the reason alot of women don't associate themselves with the feminist movement is because of people like you. I'm sorry but that is the truth. Too many feminists are so tunnel visioned it's almost impossible to debate anything with them. Their mantra is "all men are wrong"......anyone who has an objective point of view is never a feminist ime

DP you are a person who openly says that you believe that men are more intelligent than women. You are an active member of the BNP. You are certainly not a person who I have ever seem demonstrate "an objective point of view".

Frankly it is my mission in life to be disliked by people like you. You hate feminists anyway as they disagree with your world view. You would hate them whether Dittany and women like her were on these boards or not.

I haven't read the case notes dittany, I've only read the last few posts of this thread....but I can pretty much guarantee if you'd been the judge the man would have got 25 yrs minimum...you are too biased.

I personally think the whole judicial system should be reviewed. people who commit fraud are given longer sentences than murderers....but that's another thread.

dittany...I like you, you know that. I admire anyone who is passionate about their cause, whatever that may be...I just think you need to calm down abit sometimes.

y'know women joke about PMT..."oh it's great, I can kill my husband and nick stuff out of waitrose, lol" .....just blame it on the hormones

and y'know I am guilty of being (abit) tunnel visioned politically...but not so much as I can never see someone else's point of view.