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New Start November - in which the Friendly Fledglings Flutter and Fly!

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Cagliostro · 01/11/2016 02:06

Hi all!

Welcome to a brand new month in which we (in a very casual way) follow the FlyLady method to try and banish CHAOS (Can't Have Anyone Over Syndrome), and to declutter in order to remove an excess of STUFF (Something That Undermines Family Fun).

A daily BabyStep, plus missions, daily focuses and weekly zones break our time into manageable chunks - all helped by lots of supportive chat and a Naughty Corner stocked with goodies.

All welcome!

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Newchick · 27/11/2016 07:41

If anyone has some wise words for a newbie they would be much appreciated... I've been trying to start off slowly with just the few baby steps on things I find most challenging - mostly keeping kitchen cleanish, living room tidy and am just starting to get to grips with bathrooms. I've been going for three weeks now and yes while those little things are making a big difference I find it overwhelming that there are particular areas of house (bedrooms, my office) that clearly have vast amounts that need doing on them and I'm not tackling them :(

I work from home at what is pretty much a seven days a week job so I find it hard to find/justify a whole chunk of time to tackle the black holes.

I'm hoping that as I go on and when I am ready start on decluttering then I will nibble away at these mountains... Any wisdom appreciated?!

ScuttlbuttHarpy · 27/11/2016 11:23

New chick, take a day at a time, try not to do everything at once, its didn't get cluttered in a day so it wont get clean in a day.

I have an absolutely pooped pooch, just took her for a mega long walk as I woke up very grumpy. Shes now napping and clearly having a dream as she keeps ruffing in her sleep..awww.

Flying has not happened at all, I'm on short campaigns atm so only have 2 weeks to get books out and 1 to get deliveries out. Plus trying to recruit reps as a few have quit has been a bit of a mission.

Dp has a week off, so I might have a tidier house (might being the operative word, he's been a tad crap lately).

Sweepingchange · 27/11/2016 12:32

Newchick I wish I had some words of wisdom but I am the worst person to advise really. I follow Flylady because it is the best system I have found but I have to be honest and say that I haven't found that it solves everything by any means.

All I can say for sure is that my house (as the last two and a bit weeks have amply demonstrated) would be far worse without Flylady's daily routines and baby-steps.

Like you though, I still have issues with my boudoir and home office and roof and basement. I urgently need to get to grips with proper decluttering and bottoming out because the lack of progress is really dragging me down.

I only work a very few hrs a week and only have 1 child and I still find that I am stuck "maintaining" rather than doing the 15 min decluttering a day in the current zone (although I always intend to). For me, this is largely due to a combination of poor time management; never quite getting to grips with the virtual sahp role I have found myself in, finding housework depressing and lonely, and the challenges of this particular house which is huge and old and has holes in walls and floors and crumbling plaster and consequently has no proper storage so things just swim about ifyswim and we are virtually camping in it. I easily spend 15 mins on Mnset most days or 15 mins watching the telly or baking or sewing or some such which I could spend decluttering though.

For you though, it is not a question of poor time management at all, it is because you are working flat out. I just don't know what the solution is to that. If you work seven days, you work seven days, and I don't think you should beat yourself up for not being able to declutter. There is only a finite amount of time available per week and that's that.

Housework is never-ending anyway. Once you finish one bit you have to repeat immediately or there is always a back log of stuff to do.

I started this thread five or so years ago with several other long-standing fledglings and it took me right up to a few months ago to get to the point where the house was in reasonable enough order for me to start tackling the boudoir and office properly. I have made proper progress over the years and I was ecstatic and thought it would be plain sailing from then on in if I was disciplined and stuck to 15 mins decluttering a day.

Since then though, owing to life events (pretty major ones it has to be said) even the basic routines have slipped back and I need to spend a good bit of time getting it the house right again, then Christmas stuff and other fairly time-consuming changes will be happening to delay matters, and so it goes on.

I don't know what the answer is tbh Sad. Sorry, I don't mean to sound so discouraging!

But I do know that Flylady is very good to keep the basics going.

And I like her non-perfectionist/just do a small bit each day philosophy. Even 5 mins a day does make a difference.

I know others on here have had success Kondo-ing their entire house in order to declutter and then using Flylady to maintain. But Kondo-ing I imagine would take a considerable bit of time.

I'll be interested to hear what other fledglings have to say about this. Particularly if someone has stuck assiduously to decluttering 15 mins a day and have succeeded in clearing a previously heavily cluttered room with this method.

In my experience, I think it is particularly hard when you are working from home as the last thing you want to do when you have some free time is spend even more time inside the same space and it is even more difficult ring fence and separate work and and domestic chore time and it all becomes a bit muddled (well it does for me anyway, even with the few hrs I am doing).

My ideal balance was when I was working 3 days outside of the home. I found it much easier to be organised then. When I had spent time away, I looked at the house with new eyes and felt refreshed and ready to do some organising when I got back.

Sorry - that long splurge of a post is not much help is it really - to summarise, for me I think Flylady makes the best of a bad job!

Flowers to you though!

Sweepingchange · 27/11/2016 12:58

Forgot to say ...

Glad you had a great trip Cotswold!

Great that you have a bit of a stay of execution Cag good luck with all the decluttering!

Foxes I get it. Dh travels a lot and even though dd is much older (and she is an only) it still gets me down. It is very hard for you with a baby and a lo. I remember when was constantly travelling in E Europe from when dd was born until about her sixth birthday and it was v stressful, particularly when she was ill. It still makes life unbalanced now because when I want to get out and about and do something different at weekends; he (very understandably because he works very hard) wants to go easy at weekends and catch up on sleep. The very worst is when you are anticipating their arrival and they are delayed so I really feel for you Flowers

Toostressy congrats on decluttering five B of RC!

Tbh I think proper decluttering is virtually impossible with los about Afreshstart

8fencingwire sounds like a pretty punishing schedule you have to contend with; well done for Flying in those circs and hope your cold is better

Hope all gps chirpy and fine Purple!

Scuttl also have a pooped pooch here! Went for a long walk this morning after church. Freezing but lovely! Had to laugh when we got back. Earlier, I had temporarily moved dog bed a few feet from its usual position after hoovering and straightening it out. I wanted the dog out from under my feet in the kitchen when we got back because I was preparing lunch, so I told him to go to his bed as usual, and he obediently went and lay down on the cold floor in the place where the bed usually is/used to be, whereupon dd accused me of dog cruelty!! Honestly, he's one sandwich short of a picnic that one bless him [shakes head in despair].

Big waves to Amorita Honu Dogsbum Greymalkin Shannara Blue Stillliving and loads of people I have missed simply because my brain is like mush this afternoon and I can't scroll down any more!

Right - speaking of not being on Mumsnet too long and doing 15 mins of decluttering instead - I need to go and do just that!

Enjoy the rest of your Sundays everyone!

Sweepingchange · 27/11/2016 13:02

That should have read "when he was travelling constantly* Foxes btw. Hope you manage to get some much deserved "alone time" today!

Left out waves to Fromwestoeast and to GreyandGrumpy and loads more!

Off to tackle the boudoir ... .[groan]

PurpleDaisies · 27/11/2016 15:14

Our weekend guests have just gone. Lovely weekend but tired now and really torn between sitting in the sofa and going useful stuff. Think I'll compromise by putting washing in and doing "busy breaks"...approx 3 minutes tidying when the breaks come up in the tv programme I'm watching!
GPs have been spoilt all weekend. They're currently lazing around like little croissants.

newchick it's really hard not to get disillusioned. It took us a year to properly declutter the house and now we've moved there's a load of new decorating that needs doing. I hate our bedroom and there are other rooms that need a complete overhaul. Just keep concentrating on the fact that ANYTHING you do is good for your house and your family. I've never managed to actually do 15minutes of decluttering-it works better for me to block off an hour once a week and make a big dent in things.

Cagliostro · 27/11/2016 15:30

Hi everyone.

Feeling spectacularly unmotivated today, and just lately in general TBH. Really good call Cotswold to take the links off my hands after we had our news about the landlords, there's no way I could've kept up with it lately! And thanks SC for stepping in yesterday too! :) Thanks for you both!

We managed a reasonable amount yesterday but this morning I was just feeling yuck. Going to do some laundry as tidying has unearthed various things that need washing. Hmm Blush

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Newchick · 27/11/2016 17:15

ScuttlButt, Sweepingchange and PurpleDaisies thank you all for your really helpful and insightful comments. They helped me see that (as ever!) I am worrying about a stage that I haven't even got to yet! Ie a point when keeping on top of basics (at least maybe 90% of the time?!) is something that's a routine rather than a splendiferous novelty ;)

Also I am not necessarily flat out - my weekly workload probably varies between 25 - 50 hours a week so some weeks are quieter than others. So I could schedule in a mini- splurge - it's more me thinking "what's the point of just doing an hour when it needs several days spending on it?" When of course even an hour a week would make more of a dent than nothing....

Right off to do my basics now, thanks again all for advice and for such a lovely supportive thread - you are ALL bloody brilliant.

foxessocks · 27/11/2016 19:59

newchick I often feel the same as you (and others too it seems!) where I do the routines well but have lots of areas that never get properly done. For me it isn't so much clutter as I'm fairly decluttered already but it's the deep cleaning. I feel like I only ever scratch the surface. Stuff like cleaning my oven, cleaning the bathroom tiles properly, windows...I just never get round to any of it! But as others have said I like fly lady for the routine it has helped my house to be much more organised and therefore less stressful , I fit more in in small amounts of time because I now realise how much I can achieve in five minutes! So for me it works really well and I'm hopeful that I will get to some of the deep cleaning tasks one day soon...haha! Keep plodding along and you will see more improvements I'm sure , sounds like you're doing well already.

SC thanks for your kind words I am feeling better today as dh has been doing pretty much everything with the kids today but I'm a bit worried about next week and ending up in a miserable heap again , I felt so low yesterday and I've never felt like that before even when dh has worked long hours before . But am feeling more my usual self now anyway.

Purple I have also just started doing quick cleaning dash in advert breaks!! The only TV I watch live is I'm a celebrity so i quickly load the dishwasher or wipe sides down when the adverts come on. It works really well! I'd recommend to everyone!

Zoo hope you are ok you've gone a bit quiet

And hello to everyone else hope you've all had restful weekends !

Newchick · 27/11/2016 20:08

Thanks Foxes that's really interesting. It's some of that stuff eg oven that's sticking out like a sore thumb for me now the kitchen floor etc are not so much of an eyesore. Perhaps I can reframe that as a victory?! Love what you say about being more organised and therefore less stressful and glad to hear you are feeling more your usual self today.

Right ta das-

Sink shined
Kitchen floor swept
5 mins hotspots
10 mins bathrooms
2 loads laundry put on, one dry load put away
Chickens cleaned out

foxessocks · 27/11/2016 20:27

newchick I think you're right and that is a victory , you've got on top of some bits so the bits that aren't done are now obvious. I'm on top of my general housework (at the moment!) so when I get some time I think oh I should clean the oven but i never do I just put it off!! I think it's because the deep clean jobs need more preparation / thought / effort and I don't havr the time or energy for that so I ignore them! Maybe I should try doing one of those tasks a week or something...hmm you've given me something to think about now Smile still not going to clean the oven yet though

CotswoldStrife · 27/11/2016 21:56

Evening all. House needs serious work before Christmas - don't forget that we'll be in December by the end of the week, woo hoo!

Not a great deal accomplished today, but there is tomorrow ...

Links next.

CotswoldStrife · 27/11/2016 21:57

The daily summary for Monday (also available on the Flylady website at flight plan which should update automatically each day.

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Baby-step no 28 - self maintenance – look after yourself

We are in Zone 5 this week: the living room

Spend 15 mins decluttering in Zone 5.

When you have finished decluttering, the detailed cleaning list (if you are at that stage) for Zone 5 is here

Mission for Monday clear your hotspots and flat surfaces

The daily focus for Monday is: weekly home blessing hour

The monthly habit for November is menu planning!

Super Cruise Christmas mission

TooStressyForMyOwnGood · 27/11/2016 22:45

Ugh write long post and lost it. Short version...
Got so much more done when spent less time on phone! Thanks for links Cotswolds. Newchick I think the reality is sometimes you will never achieve it all and have to settle for slow progress, at least that's what I tell myself.

Cagliostro · 28/11/2016 00:30

I sometimes think that when it comes to decluttering, tidying etc - if it's not something that comes naturally to you (major Envy at those to whom it does!) it's as much a mental thing as a physical one. The procrastination, the perfectionism, the worry...

I figure it'll happen in the end. I need to remind myself that we are achieving stuff. We will get there, we have to!

I managed to put the second wash on but have mostly been on my bed all day

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fromwesttoeast · 28/11/2016 00:52

Newchick I'm in the same position as you, working 7 days from home at the moment. I also have the same thoughts regarding everything I'm not doing. Most days I can't do more than wish I had time to declutter. I look at things and know they need to go but it's so hard to actually make time. Then there is the guilt that if I'm not working I should be doing something with the kids - not decluttering! That's like letting the stuff steal your time with the family. So complicated!
I've managed a few minutes of decluttering here and there in the bedroom. DH is away at the moment so the bedroom will actually stay nice and tidy, so I felt it was worth doing it.
Also vacuumed upstairs, filled garden bin and did online groceries
As always..so much left undone.

Newchick · 28/11/2016 12:11

Thanks for these thoughts folks, all much appreciated. Just thought would jump on to say unexpected resolution to at least oven issue - just came in and DH was cleaning oven Grin - he never does ANY cleaning (though does do most of cooking) so this is most unexpected - maybe because I've been keeping rest of kitchen so clean?! Am tickled pink!

TooStressyForMyOwnGood · 28/11/2016 14:29

Hi all, newchick that's great re. the oven Grin.

Ta da:-
Food shop
Quick calendar check (need to look at work calendar tonight as ran out of time)
Made work phone call

Ta da:-
Put away food shop
Pick up DD1 from school
Declutter for 5 mins
Paper declutter for 5 mins
Homework with DDs - can never find an easy time to slot this in without them whinging Confused.
Tea time for DDs
Bed and bath time etc
Before bed routine

PurpleDaisies · 28/11/2016 15:46

newchick if you'd like to send your dh round to clean my oven that would be great! Mine washed up the stuff that won't go in the dishwasher before he went to work this morning so he's in my good books.

Ta da's
Food shop
Tidied our fridge
Been to post office
5 minute tidy kitchen
Changed address on Lakeland catalogue (v important!)

To do
Bathroom clean
Sweep upstairs
Quick tidy

Cagliostro · 28/11/2016 16:40

I have written a list of things to do tomorrow - various errands while I get a chance. Then we're going to the housing office - a friend is very kindly having the Caglets round for a playdate so they don't have to come with us.

Christmas shopping pretty much DONE!

Need to stick the dryer on now and then tidy up a bit, not sure I can manage much but have pupils tomorrow.

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foxessocks · 28/11/2016 17:06

Oh well done on the Christmas shopping cag! I've got a bit more to do...seems never ending and not even December yet!

Ta das
Dishwasher emptied and loaded kitchen sides wiped
Living room tidied
Hand bag decluttered
Two loads of washing on
Washing put away
Father Christmas visited Grin

Need to start dinner but dh is making cookies with dd so would be too many cooks in the kitchen! I'm not complaining though as he makes the best oat and raisin cookies.

Newchick · 28/11/2016 22:10

Grin purpledaisies - suspect it is a one off!!

Ta das -

Two loads washing on, two put away
5 mins hotspots
2 lots bedlinen washed dried and back on beds
30 mins spent this evening tackling airing cupboard - not all done but have made a start - chipping away

CotswoldStrife · 28/11/2016 23:16

The daily summary for Tuesday (also available on the Flylady website at flight plan which should update automatically each day.

**

Baby-step no 29 - a pamper mission

We are in Zone 5 this week: the living room

Spend 15 mins decluttering in Zone 5.

When you have finished decluttering, the detailed cleaning list (if you are at that stage) for Zone 5 is here

Mission for Tuesday move anything out of the living room that does not belong there

The daily focus for Tuesday is: planning

The monthly habit for November is menu planning!

Super Cruise Christmas mission (seems to be only one, decorate something in your house, has been the same for a day or so at least!)

fromwesttoeast · 28/11/2016 23:40

I've decided to focus on the downstairs loo instead of the living room this week - ambitiously hoping to do a few minutes on it everyday. It's not useable at the moment due to being full of stuff. DH wants it back in use again - and will return in about 10 days. Seems ridiculous that a room only big enough for a toilet and corner sink has become such a big mission, but it's all cobwebby and there is black mould on the ceiling of the lobby to the back door. Sad

foxessocks · 29/11/2016 16:35

Ta das
Dishwasher emptied and loaded
Rubbish to outside bins
Wiped sides

To do
Hang washing up
Room rescue upstairs and living room
Sort out dinner