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Petition Against Home Ed Register

411 replies

Isawthesigns · 09/11/2021 15:43

Now It Is Evident The Goverment Is Committed To A Register Of Children Not In School Which Will Be Followed By Assessments And Monitoring

Please Sign And Share The Petition Help Us Defend Our Right To HE Without State Interference

petition.parliament.uk/petitions/594065?fbclid=IwAR0o70ZNS9miOu6k8l769Kcu9XJnFbkAYggnqkbHzaknueGt39nnQrbhZTo

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RaininSummer · 10/11/2021 13:23

Not signing this one. Obviously safeguarding issues but also kids sometimes don't actually get much education so I think it should be monitored. Had a young customer at work recently who was home Ed and has no qualifications at all now and not a case of not capable.

CampagVelocet · 10/11/2021 13:25

There absolutely should be a register. It's about protecting children; I'm astonished anyone could legitimately object.

Fujimora · 10/11/2021 13:28

what's to stop barely literate parents taking their out of education to 'educate' them?

This happens all thhe time - particularly with young people in secondary schools who are not attending regularly. Parents - often struggling with mental health problems - are told to ensure their child’s attendance, face prosecution or “exercise their right to home educate”. Unsurprisingly they choose to “home ed”. In this way some of the most vulnerable children in our society are abandoned by the state. Checks, if they happen at all, are minimal.

SavoyCabbage · 10/11/2021 13:30

It makes me feel quite sick that people would object to a register like this.

WinterFirTree · 10/11/2021 13:30

@Eltonsglasses

Actually every child who has ever been found abused under the guise of home ed was already known to social services so a register is redundant.

How were they all known to SS?

There is no way the OP can know that. Not least because such information is highly highly confidential and not revealed by SS, or anyone in the family court process.

I also worry about children slipping through the cracks.

WinterFirTree · 10/11/2021 13:31

( @Eltonsglasses I was not disagreeing with your point, I just pressed the quote function on your post if you see what I mean).

TheDuchessOfDork · 10/11/2021 13:32

I am all in favour of a register, and also of regular assessments and support for HE parents and children.

I totally get that traditional schooling isn't for everyone, but I do not agree that parents can take their children out of school and get away with not giving them a good standard of education. It is failing the children. The two parents I know who home school I went to school with myself. One, based on her Facebook page has very poor spelling and grammar. How on earth can she be teaching a child to read and write when she has such a poor knowledge of English herself? The other doesn't teach anything, she plays with her (9 year old) half the day and lets her do as she pleases for the other half. When I say play, she's gaming with her. Not forest school type playing.

Neither of these children are being abused (obviously as far as I know but I highly doubt it) but they are being let down education wise.

Exams should be free, of course. But sadly for the children I know who are HE I doubt they would have the skills, or the stamina to do them anyway!

Neurodiversitydoctor · 10/11/2021 13:38

Actually every child who has ever been found abused under the guise of home ed was already known to social services so a register is redundant

Sorry this is completely untrue. There have been many absolutely tragic cases.

Tillysfad · 10/11/2021 13:40

LEAs have decided that a register is the most palatable way to increase enforced monitoring of home educated children and many LEAs have an unapologetic policy of getting children back into school as they believe that school is best for everyone. How that plays out has been endless pretend requests for information and pretend offers of support by people who are effectively truancy officers. Parents have responded in good faith and then found themselves misquoted and the evidence of learning pulled apart for the purposes of getting the child back to school, rather than genuine reasons. It has been a disgrace at times, quite genuinely. LEAS seem to believe that the end justifies the means.

The national curriculum is not the only way to learn by a long shot but children's work is criticised if it deviates from this, or is too far ahead. It is a poorly understood fact, especially in the UK, that reading at age 8/9 is absolutely fine and is much easier to pick up at that age for many children. We also know that many children with additional needs receive little provision at school and bullying is rife. Neither of these factors are really acknowledged or understood by LEAs. It is nonsensical to monitor evidence of learning that a school in reality would not be providing that child, with the sword of Damocles hanging over their head that the child will be ordered back to school if they can't produce it. Many parents are trying to unpick the damage of school bullying and address additional needs at a late stage. They often are encouraged by progress at home and then are understandably frazzled at the veiled threats in these letters from LEAs. Legally the obligation to provide an education is the parent's and they're under no suspicion if they discharge that themselves. LEAS are used to being in charge (as they are if parents outsource their responsibility to the school) and expect a cookie cutter education. LEAs try to maintain an illusion of being in a role of authority when, unless there is evidence that a suitable and efficient full time education is not being provided, they have no authority. I personally don't think they're fit for a position of authority so would be against a register for that reason if no other.

So parents are not keen to give power to incredibly disorganised, often uneducated, school-based learning obsessed officers with a dubious relationship with the truth and an agenda to catch a parent out somehow, anyhow. The letters these officers send are often riddled with spelling errors and it is very common for a different child's details to be discussed in error with a parent who has never heard of that child. They shouldn't have any more information until they have learned how to handle data with what they've got. Parents might feel differently if there was a different agenda and a different track record, but there isn't.

The poster claiming that a register wouldn't help abused children because abused home educated children are usually already known to SS is probably right, insofar as each instance of abuse of home educated children that has come up has already involved failures by SS. You won't find one that hasn't. Given the general incompetent and the ease with which abusers hide their guilt, it seems highly unlikely that the officer who can't spell their child's name right would have the competency to spot it. It also suggests that home educated children should be immediately flagged as a safeguarding risk with the implication that a home educating parent is more likely to abuse. These parents are often exhausted and dedicated parents to children with additional needs who have encountered hostility and lack of support throughout their child's life as stretched services fail. That is a step too far for many of them and echoes uncomfortably with the attitude of many LEAs that they're already in the wrong because their child isn't in school. The register is not really about safeguarding. It's about restoring a power dynamic to something LEAs feel comfortable with. It's highly unlikely to help victims of abuse but will hurt parents and children who have already been failed by the education system. It is not just open to abuse, it is planned for a completely different reason than the ones being trotted out.

ABCeasyasdohrayme · 10/11/2021 13:41

I HE one of my dc, we are registered as home educating and get a quick check once a year.

There should absolutely be a register and safeguarding checks.

I would be very suspicious of anyone who disagrees.

EdmontinaDancesWithOphelia · 10/11/2021 13:53

Tillysfad, I don’t believe that because the current LEA-led system is unsatisfactory we shouldn’t strive to arrive at a national system that meets the needs of all parties.

I entirely understand what you say about glorified truancy officers and a current philosophy based on ‘not in school’. Why would it be impossible for a national register to effectively legitimise HE in a way it hasn’t been before?

CremeEggThief · 10/11/2021 13:55

Of course there should be a register. It's a major safeguarding concern that we have got to 2021 with no register. Far too many children arevat risk of slipping through the gap.

Tillysfad · 10/11/2021 13:56

Experiences do differ widely across LEAs. A great deal of policy can and has been thought up on the hoof depending on personality preferences. Individuals in the monitoring process have been able to pick and choose how much control to exert without oversight, resulting in massive discrepancies in legal action. Not looking at anyone in particular, Portsmouth...

So experiences will vary. But incompetence, bullying and double standards in LEAs are not down to a few rotten apples. It is systemic.

5zeds · 10/11/2021 13:59

@Isawthesigns It’s just encroaching on basic human rights. No problem if that isn’t an issue for you. It definitely is for me because I know it won’t stop there. which human rights do you feel are being violated and what is it you fear will happen next?

Tillysfad · 10/11/2021 13:59

EdmontinaDancesWithOphelia

Go ahead and do it! It's not going to happen, that's the issue really. It would be these individuals with these ideology and theses skills. They're not introducing anything very new. It's just about giving more power to people who aren't very good at handling what they have. And they're not able providing support or safeguarding so much as stemming the rise in home educated children. Personally, I would focus on improving provision in schools to achieve this.

Tillysfad · 10/11/2021 14:00

Sorry for typos, I will have to sign off as my children get undivided attention for learning!

EdmontinaDancesWithOphelia · 10/11/2021 14:02

It is systemic.

So we change the system. Rather than agree to abandon children to a life where no one checks up on their well-being, ever.

RozHuntleysLeftHand · 10/11/2021 14:08

I home Ed and I am totally for a register.

I was shocked that all it took was a phone call to my LA, no checks have ever taken place. I keep folders full of his work so I can show progress, but no one has ever ever followed up, done a home check or anything.

If I was a total shit it would be so so easy to keep him locked up at home.

Im all for a register, I would sign one tomorrow happily.

GreenWhiteViolet · 10/11/2021 14:10

I have no issue with a register for safeguarding reasons.

I do worry that it might set off a slippery slope whereby the government will want to assess and monitor HE children. For many, HE isn't 'school at home', because the school system doesn't work for those children and their parents are taking a different pedagogical approach. If the child is tested and found to be 'behind' (because they aren't following the National Curriculum to begin with and/or have SEN) the assessor could say that they need to be sent to school. Never mind the number of children at school who are 'behind'.

Ultimately, responsibility for a child's education lies with the parents. Most choose to delegate to a school. As long as those who don't make that choice are treating their child well and aren't neglectful or abusive, what they teach and how is none of the state's business.

Beseen22 · 10/11/2021 14:27

There's 2 parts

Safeguarding. Which from the post by a HV appears to be covered. So from 0-5 a child is on the caseload of a HV then transferred to a school nurse. It appears that they then go on to the school nurse's caseload so there should be reviews at key stages to ensure that the child is healthy and growing.

Then educational standard. This seems to be the controversial point that there is some agenda by local authorities to chase children back to school and judge parents. I grew up in a pretty religious upbringing and know a lot of families who chose to HE. I've seen in done incredibly well and I've seen it done badly. One family they all had to go to school at secondary exams because they were sadly very behind their peers. They have gone on to study/work in more creative fields and done ok.
I know one family who HE in the US because its cheaper but have been across 2 European countries for the past 2 years due to visa issues. As a result those kids have been kicked off their HE platform in the US and have done absolultey no schooling for 2 years, the eldest is now 16 and no where near ready for any sort of examination. I personally feel she has been let down by her parents circumstances. So I do feel there should be some sort of governance, perhaps a joint annual visit from school nurse and education professional

longwayoff · 10/11/2021 14:27

Are you home educating Tillysfad? If so, how are you able to help your children to critically assess information and be sure that they are aware there is a broad range of views on practically everything? It must be difficult if their home educator is the sole information source.

Rainbowshit · 10/11/2021 14:29

Nope, not signing. There absolutely should be a register of children who are being home educated. It's a safeguarding fail for there not to be.

RedCake · 10/11/2021 14:32

The system needs changing but a safeguarding register disguised as a HE register is not the way forward. So I have signed @Isawthesigns because the current proposal is not well thought out.

If the government proposed a transparent safeguarding register I would fully support it for all children.

5zeds · 10/11/2021 16:08

@longwayoff
It must be difficult if their home educator is the sole information source. why would being home educated mean you only have one information sourceConfused.

5zeds · 10/11/2021 16:11

My objection is more that I think it wouldn’t work and would be expensive. All children are already registered at birth in the uk. They also have Drs and dentists and midwives and health visitors and benefits, why do we need to register their “education” separately and couldn’t we just use the data we DO have

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